To have liked the way Mishal Husain (?) finished by emphasising that her interviewee is DOCTOR Rashid Abbasi?

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On Radio 4, Today prog.

I could weep for the way human beings are treated in England. Desperately ashamed to be a citizen of this country. (Of course we only know what's been reported - but the context suggests that the police behaviour could never be justified.)

I could weep for the way human beings are treated in England. Desperately ashamed to be a citizen of this country.

What?

Is that the doctor and his wife who was dragged away by police from their dying daughters bedside which then resulted in him having a heart attack? I watched that footage yesterday and was disgusted. YANBU.

Absolutely appalling way to treat anyone, but especially the parent of a critically ill child.

Agree op, it’s shocking. Those poor people had been treated terribly. What a way to treat parents who’ve been given such awful news.

The story is very complex. This was not a sudden incident. This situation had been developing over years.

The police do not have to be called to remove someone from their child's bedside for no reason. This gentleman had physically assaulted the doctor treating his child 30 minutes earlier.

If you were a member of staff or another parent on that ward, you might have seen the incident from a different perspective.

The context was that he had assaulted a doctor and had been investigated by SS for administering non-prescribed prescription medication and the overuse of oxygen at home. The police and medical staff had calmly spoken to him for several minutes before the altercation. Of course it was a terribly sad and shocking event. But they needed to let go and were causing distress to other parents and children on the ward. The girl died several weeks later with her parents by her side. We do not live in a police state and shame on the media for not presenting the whole story.

It's difficult when one doesn't know the whole story (speaking as a sometime legal professional).

But surely, unless he was wielding an axe, they could have taken whatever time was necessary without rough-handling him? He pointed out that he has not been prosecuted for any assault. The hospital cited distress to the patient - I'm very puzzled over that ...

OP, were you aware of the full story as described by Tempusfudgeit? It certainly paints a different picture and so it would appear no weeping necessary in this instance.

@PerditaProvokesEnmity but how do you remove an adult who refuses and physically resists? Can you allow him to remain, when he's causing distress to those around him?
I imagine the hospital didn't get him prosecuted for the assault because they don't want to make things any worse. But he DID assault a doctor and I can only imagine what sort of scene he created in doing so, which presumably, staff, other children and parents (who are presumably in their own terribly distressing times) had to witness.

Of course they had to ask him to leave. He refused, so they had to go to the next level.

Why should a medical professional have to share space with someone who's just assaulted them?

I wouldn't expect to have access to the full story (at least, as much as has been recorded) unless I were preparing the case for court.

But someone who is themselves a medical professional (ie knows how to behave in a hospital ward) must have been sorely tried to behave in any extreme fashion in a hospital.

So I'm afraid I do wonder about ... underlying attitudes. If, let's say, Jacob Rees-Mogg had been the father in question, and had behaved in whatever way Dr Abbasi behaved - would the police have handled him in exactly the same manner?

I'm going to guess that if the father was being interviewed on the radio, he might have been economical with the details that led to this incident.

Did he say why he assaulted the consultant? Did he refer to the disputes that had been going on for years? Did he acknowledge the effect of his actions on others in that intensive care unit?

www.thenorthernecho.co.uk/news/18623471.father-arrested-bedside-ill-daughter-sues/

How do we know he assaulted a doctor when he hasn’t been charged? I would think that a difficult thing to say so definitively.

The relationship between parents and staff had clearly broken down completely as the referral to SS implies. I think SS followed up but didn’t remain involved and I rather suspect a respiratory consultant is quite capable of monitoring his daughter’s own oxygen intake. The two previous occasions where staff didn’t want to treat the daughter and wanted to allow her to die saw her recover well enough when treated that she returned home. That gives the parents real reason to suspect the care isn’t good enough or doesn’t reflect their u sweats sing of their daughter’s condition.

At the point where the police came the family was peaceful and loving and terrified if they were taken away their daughter would be disconnected from oxygen. I have much respect for the police but those were appalling. They were grossly insensitive and inflammatory. They didn’t listen and were so dismissive of the mum it made me furious. She was amazing and they came off as racist simpletons.

Why have you put a question mark in your title?

QualityFeet were you there when the incident took place, or did you view the body can footage? This is the first I'm hearing of this incident and an article I read seemed to indicate that the body cam footage tells a different story then what the family is telling. I'm interested to know more.

Why have you put a question mark in your title?

Because I wasn't listening from the start of the programme, never heard the presenters' names clearly, and couldn't find them named on the website - so although I believed it to be Mishal Husain (because I thought I heard the interviewee say her name, but my bedroom radio is a bit rubbish) I wasn't entirely sure. No other reason!

I don't think I've ever recommended or linked a Daily Mail article before - but their account appears to be very detailed. And distressing.

Don’t think I implied I was there? The cam footage clearly shows them calm and recording is continuous as it shows the horrifically inept police engagement.

"would the police have handled him in exactly the same manner?" Reaching a little bit aren't you? Why are you so desperate to see racism where there's no evidence of it? Isn't there enough actual racism out there for you to go and vent your outrage on?

I'm starting to feel somewhat ashamed that citizens of this country are hell bent on bringing our institutions into disrepute by peddling nonsense online without full knowledge of the facts, and pulling the racism alarm cord at the drop of a hat.

Oh wait, I see what's going on. You're actually part of the right wing forces of darkness trying to divide the nation. I'm not falling for it. I'm going to keep an open heart and mind.

Get thee behind me Satan.

Don’t think I implied I was there?

Nor did I imply you claimed were there. 😒 🙄 I clearly asked if you were there or if you had viewed the body cam footage. So your answer to that question is you viewed the body cam footage, then?

I've now seen the whole video. It's a pity that the other officers didn't just let the young woman officer continue to handle it. She was calm, rational and empathetic.
Of course we don't know how the father would have reacted to her, but the other officer took it physical rather too early I thought, unless there was something the video didn't capture at that point.

Why are you so desperate to see racism where there's no evidence of it? Isn't there enough actual racism out there for you to go and vent your outrage on?

Y'know, after more than half a century on this planet, most of it on this green and pleasant land of my birth, I think I can recognise what I see. And feel perfectly entitled to raise a question where I'm unclear on the facts. I have no intention of being shouted down. Sorry.

[quote saraclara]I'm going to guess that if the father was being interviewed on the radio, he might have been economical with the details that led to this incident.

Did he say why he assaulted the consultant? Did he refer to the disputes that had been going on for years? Did he acknowledge the effect of his actions on others in that intensive care unit?

www.thenorthernecho.co.uk/news/18623471.father-arrested-bedside-ill-daughter-sues/[/quote]
It looks like a really complex case that very few actual details are given about.

But related to the OP (Husain in R4 emphasising the title 'Doctor') what jumps out at me about this article is that although it clearly states that both parents are doctors the photo caption is this:

Hospital consultant Rashid Abbasi and his wife Aliya

@QualityFeet

How do we know he assaulted a doctor when he hasn’t been charged? I would think that a difficult thing to say so definitively.

The relationship between parents and staff had clearly broken down completely as the referral to SS implies. I think SS followed up but didn’t remain involved and I rather suspect a respiratory consultant is quite capable of monitoring his daughter’s own oxygen intake. The two previous occasions where staff didn’t want to treat the daughter and wanted to allow her to die saw her recover well enough when treated that she returned home. That gives the parents real reason to suspect the care isn’t good enough or doesn’t reflect their u sweats sing of their daughter’s condition.

At the point where the police came the family was peaceful and loving and terrified if they were taken away their daughter would be disconnected from oxygen. I have much respect for the police but those were appalling. They were grossly insensitive and inflammatory. They didn’t listen and were so dismissive of the mum it made me furious. She was amazing and they came off as racist simpletons.

My thoughts entirely. And the behaviour of the female police officer was particularly shocking, when she repeatedly said he was behaving like an animal. Likewise the response from the police officers when he repeatedly complained of chest pains and was pleading for his medication that was in his pocket. He had had 2 previous heart attacks and underwent an angioplasty the next day apparently. They very nearly had blood on their hands.

Is the Christian legal centre the same one which latched onto Evans too?