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AIBU?

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To ask if you have personally ever doubted the sex you were born into

238 replies

Chantelli · 02/08/2020 20:51

Just that
Yabu - of course my gender and sex have always been aligned
Yanbu - I've often felt as though I do not identify with my biological sex assigned at birth

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Boredbumhead · 02/08/2020 22:03

Nope. I've often felt a bit apart from (some) other girls - no interest really in being "feminine" and felt I was performing to fit in.

I work in quite a make dominated environment, and that has made me feel more masculine in my interaction with other people. I don't really do that school gate exaggerated excitement kind of chat.

But I'm definitely a woman!

Starbuggy · 02/08/2020 22:03

No I’ve never felt like I’m not a woman because I am a woman.

But I’m extremely glad I’m not a teenager now, because I think I probably would be caught up in the whole gender trend. I’m not a girly girl, I’m a lesbian, never really fit in growing up, and I spent most of my teens online in the late 90s early 00s. If I was twenty years younger I think I would be likely to have decided I was non binary or even a trans man, rather than just accepting I’m not a stereotypical woman but I am still a woman.

I don’t doubt that some people have genuine gender dysphoria. I also don’t doubt that many teenagers who feel they don’t fit in are latching on to gender as the reason why and going down a dangerous path.

BluebellCockleshell123 · 02/08/2020 22:05

As I child about ages 3-5 I desperately wanted to be the opposite sex. I remember being adamant that I wanted to be a boy when I grew up and my mum tells me now that she was quite worried about me. In this day and age I’m pretty sure I would have been taken to a doctor.
Never thought about it once since I started school and especially not when I hit puberty. Very very glad that I was not given the opportunity to explore any gender changing discussions or options when I was so young.

LioneIRichTea · 02/08/2020 22:05

If I was a child now, people might think I should be a boy, or maybe I’d convince myself of that with all this thinking out there... But no, just liked a lot of “male” pursuits and still do.

Mumoblue · 02/08/2020 22:05

I did, before I stopped believing I had an internal gender identity. I don't think my mind is separate from my body, so it's impossible for them to match or mismatch. They are the same.
I do not have a "feeling" of gender identity, and as of yet, nobody has been able to describe what that is supposed to feel like.

compulsivesnacker · 02/08/2020 22:07

Sex is reality. Gender is socially imposed bollocksery. You can’t opt out of fact because you want to opt in to a fiction. (And I include ‘non-binary’ in that.) Life doesn’t work like that.
Around 15/16 I went by the name George and thought it very empowering to enjoy lots of activities that society thought were ‘masculine’. I later dropped the name and continued to enjoy the activities, including enjoying immensely thrashing the poor males who didn’t believe girls could do x. I quite like proving to Neanderthals that they are wrong. Gender stereotyping gives me the rage and I really feel sorry for anyone who believes that gender stereotypes are innate and that they can’t be male because they don’t match the ‘rules’. (Or can’t be female because they don’t match the rules.) I’m afraid I think they are a bit thick. Or a bit narcissistic. Or both.
I don’t include body dysmorphia in this. That is a mental health condition that needs treatment. And I am wary of including today’s teenagers in that too, because they are being brainwashed into believing that human sex is changeable and authenticity can be faked by expenditure. Capitalism loves gender!
I don’t identify with a gender because I refuse to be identified by stereotypes. I am an adult human female.

Ginkypig · 02/08/2020 22:07

@WeeMadArthur

I would say that I have never doubted my biological sex but have often chafed against the expectations of how my gender should behave. That didn’t make me question if I was really identified as the correct sex, rather that I hated the fact that gender roles were a thing, rather than letting people just be themselves.
This a good way of putting it.

I never questioned my sex or my gender but I did know that I didn't fit expectations of what a "normal" woman was and I was ok with that. it made me think about the boxes that are made for us though and that I didn't fit properly in any of them, I knew that I lay on a spectrum somewhere between feminine and masculine (if such a thing as feminine or masculine really exists) as we all do and that's perfectly fine.
I knew also though that just because lots of my traits and likes and habits of dress were traditionally male or at least not necessarily female that that didn't make me a man though.

If more of us were comfortable being unique even if others didn't like it or even better if others stopped caring there would be far more happier people in the world.

CatsArePeopleToo · 02/08/2020 22:09

Always. I should have been a boy...

VimFuego101 · 02/08/2020 22:11

I used to say I wanted to be/ dressed like a boy. In hindsight it wasn't really that I wanted to be a boy but I wanted to do things that I thought were boy things. Thank goodness my parents pushed for me to be able to do those things (be on the school cricket team, let me play with 'boys' toys) rather than whisking me off to a gender clinic.

aquashiv · 02/08/2020 22:12

Nope. Quite happy in my skin. Don't suscribe to the girly manly bollocks.

ComeOnBabyPopMyBubble · 02/08/2020 22:14

Yes. As a kid/teen. I even had a stage of wearing very loose clothing and ball caps and being really proud if I "passed"(mostly in the dark Grin)

However, I realised later that it was backlash from how society treated girls, the expectations, the limitations, the hypocrisy.

I wanted to be a boy because being a girl wasn't fair. Because my attitude,behaviour and personality didn't fit being a girl so I ended up getting in trouble a lot, getting told off, getting punished (even a beating or two)for being who I was. Because James doing x was ok, but me doing it was wrong. Because I hated my periods. Because my growing breasts meant I lost male friends that I knew since I was 3. Because being a girl meant I had to deal with sexual assault and rape since I was 13.

Being a boy was cool,safe,special. It was also stupid.

OhTheRoses · 02/08/2020 22:15

Actually yes I did question it when younger. I hated my girl’s school and always was happier in the company of men. Very successful in a man’s world actually. Eventually accepted I was a man’s woman which makes one very unpopular with other women.

museumum · 02/08/2020 22:16

I never doubted my sex because I was allowed to be “gender non-conforming” without that being a big deal. I was born mid-70s when it was ok to be a “tomboy”. I studied a traditionally male subject to degree level and took part in traditionally male sports. Im not “butch” as such and I am heterosexual but I do not do feminine.

AhBallix · 02/08/2020 22:16

No doubts here. I was born with female reproductive organs, therefore I am a woman. I have a love/hate relationship with my body, but I have never wished it was male, or thought it should be male.

MrsCollinssettled · 02/08/2020 22:17

Your sex isn't something you can do anything about. What you can do is challenge the stereotypes associated with your sex. I know very few women who either 100% fit the female stereotypes or who would aspire to do so.

donquixotedelamancha · 02/08/2020 22:17

of course my gender and sex have always been aligned

I don't accept that humans have a Gender. Sex based stereotypes vary across cultures and times.

That said, in my youth I was very, very discomforted by the stereotypes associated with my sex and highly uncomfortable with myself as a result.

PlanDeRaccordement · 02/08/2020 22:18

“Yabu - of course my gender and sex have always been aligned
Yanbu - I've often felt as though I do not identify with my biological sex assigned at birth”

Can’t vote because neither is true for me.
I am a woman. That is my sex.
But I’ve also always not conformed to the gender stereotypes, rules and roles assigned to me sex, so they don’t “align” in the slightest. But gender is a construct so it never mattered to me in the context of doubting my sex. Only doubting everything about society....

Stannisbaratheonsboxofmatches · 02/08/2020 22:19

Well, I’m a woman because I’m of the female sex and that is my biology. I’ve also lived my life up to age of 41 being a woman, so I have a woman’s experiences.

Like many other posters, I have felt very uncomfortable with stereotypes expected of men and women and of the limitations placed on women by society (generally by men).

I do feel sometimes that by the descriptions of men and women that seem fashionable these days, I would probably be a man. The way I think, learn, naturally work and behave are probably considered masculine, although i do like “female” clothes (but possibly only do to socialisation).

Despite that, I am a woman. I’m not a man.

tinyradish · 02/08/2020 22:21

Never.

Galvantula · 02/08/2020 22:22

I've never doubted what sex I am.

I've been labelled a tomboy as a kid though and not confirmed to expected stereotypical norms.

I don't wear make up, maybe a dress for a change once every couple of years.

I have a lot of friends and workmates like that as well.

NotTerfNorCis · 02/08/2020 22:24

When I was growing up I got the distinct impression that girls were treated as second class, and I resented it.

I was never really into make-up, pretty dresses, girly stereotypes etc. Partly because my family didn't push me that way.

Not for a moment did I think I wasn't a girl. I don't think I ever wanted to be a boy, let alone think I might be one, inside.

Maybe these days with all the trans propaganda in schools that would be different. E.g. 'not girly must mean trans male' or at least non-binary.

ScrimpshawTheSecond · 02/08/2020 22:24

Sex is unquestionable. Born with a female body; that has defined much of my life. I have spent my whole life since teenagerhood poking at the idea of 'femininity' and 'gender', though. Questioning what the stereotypes are and why, and what the effects are.

To say that 'gender' and 'sex' are aligned seems a bit odd, really. There's not one specific 'gender' that matches neatly up to a sex. Gender is dependent on culture and varies enormously throughout the world and history. That is to say, it's a human invention. Humans can (theoretically) choose to wear what they like, act how they like, etc, whatever the cultural and social conventions and context might be. Of course in many cultures these gender stereotypes are rigidly policed (sometimes literally).

picklemewalnuts · 02/08/2020 22:24

Never had any reason to question it. I preferred teddies to dolls, played drums, climbed trees, built Lego and meccano.

I was taught to pee sitting down. When I hit my teens I started periods, have since had children, and am now perimenopausal. Clearly I'm a woman.

While I don't conform to many gendered expectations- I do diy, DH vacuums- I am clearly a woman.

Galvantula · 02/08/2020 22:24

I didn't vote either, as I wasn't assigned anything at birth. I was observed as female.

YgritteSnow · 02/08/2020 22:26

Eventually accepted I was a man’s woman which makes one very unpopular with other women.

What does that mean? Genuine question. What is it about you that makes you "a mans woman"?

I used to be in the forces in a very male dominated environment and got on well there, but I found there was never that closeness friendship wise with men that there is with women and also when men get together as a group, no matter how well you get on with them individually I think there's the danger of a dynamic that excludes any women present. I used to go out with big gangs of men - my colleagues but at a certain point in the evening it was time to leave as they tended to start huddling together and they was a definite air of them just wanting to be the lads.

As for the OP. No I have never doubted my sex and thing most people who do are gay.