To think no, there should not be additional support for people who are on holiday in Spain

[paellaandpies]

If you dashed off on holiday when it’s bleeding blindingly bloody obvious that this virus has not gone away but was just subdued by lockdown, no you shouldn’t be entitled to any extra help with having to quarantine when you come home!

Some of us haven’t seen family for months, we have taken pay cuts and lost jobs, we haven’t rushed into pubs and bars and onto beaches, precisely because we do not want to see a second spike.

If you choose to go on holiday and to travel, that’s your right and your choice and it’s not illegal, but you should have been isolating on your return anyway. Those of us who have been more restrained do not want to catch it because you couldn’t wait a bit longer for a holiday, and you’re spreading it all over the place when you get back. If you chose a holiday, you can deal with the isolation to keep everyone else a bit safer.

AIBU?

I agree completely. Yes people can go on holiday but when they do their risk assessment before going then possible mandatory quarantine should've been included.

I agree, we each risk assess our own choices especially at the moment. Just because the gamble doesnt pay out should you get bailed out.

Agree completely

I don't think it is quite as simple as that?

Way too many factors at play here.

Lots of holiday's would have been booked before lockdown, if travel companies aren't cancelling people are faced with an impossible choice?

I do semi agree that people who have booked last minute deals and gone away recently should have made provisions in case of quarantine / local lock down whilst abroad but again it isn't as simple as that.

I think any financial support would be an attempt to make sure that people did isolate when they got back rather than saying, oh actually, I was in France (wink, wink, nudge, nudge) and going back to work. Whole thing is a mess though.

I agree to a certain degree.

I actually have lots of friends (and my sister) who live in various parts of Europe, including Spain, now. I miss them dearly and if potentially visiting, the plan was to self quarantine (even if it wasn’t mandatory) and wait for a negative test.

So it is a bit naive to not have considered quarantine at all in this climate. But I also wouldn’t wish hardship on them because of it.

i agree a holiday is not essential.
but I do think the government should have handled it better(no idea how)

I agree too, no help whatsoever and harsh fines if they don’t obey quarantine.

No one needs a holiday and to travel in the middle of a pandemic because of a want not need I just don’t understand. The virus only spreads between countries by travel, it’s not just personal risk it’s those around who can be affected who didn’t make such choices. Like teachers, pupils vulnerable family members, those in healthcare etc.

YABU

Government tells you not to earn, government should compensate you.

YABU, the people who are away in Spain at the moment went because they didn’t have to isolate on return. The lockdown has been relaxed and life is going on. If you are choosing not to participate, that’s up to you.

YANBU, it's ludicrous. Although I do think people who booked before the pandemic should have the right to a refund, those that booked during though deserve nothing.

Lots of holiday's would have been booked before lockdown, if travel companies aren't cancelling people are faced with an impossible choice

Not really, no one is forced to go, I certainly would rather have written off the holiday then risk a virus on my family or others.

What about those families whose summer holidays were booked & paid for before all this happened and who stood to lose all their money if they cancelled?

What about people who have had to travel to work in Spain?

It's not always a simple case of booking a holiday in the midst of a pandemic.

YANBU

@KeyWorker

YABU, the people who are away in Spain at the moment went because they didn’t have to isolate on return. The lockdown has been relaxed and life is going on. If you are choosing not to participate, that’s up to you.

The point I made above was that they should've considered it as a possibility if they went. Things are changing hour by hour, places have been re-locked down. Common sense would say it was a risk if they went abroad.

Think about it, if people are offered financial support due to this, it may lead to less spread of coronavirus. If a person genuinely can’t afford to take that time off work unpaid, they might be selfish enough to put the rest of us at risk by going to work to pay their bills/survive. This financial support would be a good reason to keep these people at home, otherwise it’s not like we have enough police to ensure they self isolate.

@IceCreamAndCandyfloss if you’d payed for a several thousand pounds holiday and the government said it’s safe to travel, you’d still not go?

so people who are sensible enough not to fly off on a holiday in the mist of a pandemic will end up supporting the people who do!!!

@Hairthrowaway

Think about it, if people are offered financial support due to this, it may lead to less spread of coronavirus. If a person genuinely can’t afford to take that time off work unpaid, they might be selfish enough to put the rest of us at risk by going to work to pay their bills/survive. This financial support would be a good reason to keep these people at home, otherwise it’s not like we have enough police to ensure they self isolate.

Have we really become a society who needs financial payment to do the right thing and follow the law?

I completely agree! Even if the holiday was pre-booked, you know there is a global pandemic and risk of possible quarantine -> if you decide to go then you should assume the risk. Everybody can «afford» not to go as they have already paid, what they mean is they don’t want to lose out. Well in the balance of 1000s dying I would say not going on your pre-paid holiday is acceptable. Annoying yes but you don’t «have» to go.

Yabu. Would you also ask the same to those that are doing non essential stuff in the middle of a pandemic? I.e not socially distancing , doing parties with families or friends , going to bars or nail bars or restaurants or cinema ? If not then I don’t see any difference.

Disagree completely.

I have worked as a key worker throughout lockdown. I have had one day off since Christmas. I am also self employed.

I have a holiday booked to another European country in three weeks time. It was booked in August last year, well before covid was heard of.

It is paid for in full, three different elements to the booking. If I cancel, I won't get my money back.

I am also having unavoidable work done to my house at the same time.

So, do I go and risk having to quarantine at great expense as I can't work? Although I've worked like crazy, it's to stand still, money only just coming in.

Or cancel, and lose the money?

Or, if I'm lucky, take vouchers from the travel companies, to add to the other vouchers which I have for an earlier holiday that was cancelled this year.

I'm on my knees, on the verge of a breakdown quite frankly, and theast thing I need is to be blamed for being in an unwinnable position.

How do you know they’re all on holiday? Maybe they have dying family members, or someone having surgery that desperately needs their help, or work, etc. Too many factors here, I think everyone needs to try and be a bit more understanding & focus on their own decisions instead of everyone else’s.

[quote KeyWorker]@IceCreamAndCandyfloss if you’d payed for a several thousand pounds holiday and the government said it’s safe to travel, you’d still not go?[/quote]
Did they say it was safe or did they just allow non essential travel?

No I wouldn’t go as it can’t be safe as no vaccine and cases pretty much anywhere. Neither though are we visiting places, using restaurants etc as all non essential and the less people socialise the less transmission there is for the virus.

@KeyWorker at the moment, honestly no. A bit silly to go on about «govt says it is safe» when the whole world knows that actually it isn’t safe