To ask if you are OK with your daughter's subs being spent on this?

[KatieAlcock]

I've just come to update you on my case against Girlguiding, where they expelled me for raising safeguarding concerns and for asking why we had to believe in inner gender identity to be a leader.
Girlguiding have spent AT LEAST £35,000 and probably more like £100,000 of the subs you pay for your daughter to go to Rainbows, Brownies or Guides, on defending a case against me, a committed leader who wants to make sure girls are safe and leaders have freedom of expression.

Full text of my update in the next post so as not to bore you to death!

What I don't understand is how mixed up it is. Saying you're a single sex organisation whilst allowing box sexes to join is, simply, a lie. GG are lying, about their most basic principle. They're no longer a single sex organisation, so why pretend they are? Honesty isn't so difficult, surely?

But I am in agreement with others - it should be a single sex organisation, just for girls. Don't females deserve safe spaces too?

Box? Both!

The problem lies (for me) that male wishes are trumping those of females. Once again, young females are being told... Tough luck, a male wants this, so roll over, keep quiet and don't complain

I just can't get over how entitled and full of your own importance you have to be to take offence and to take it as a personal attack.

I can't join the army. I cant compete in the paralympics. I can't go wandering round my.kids school. I cant go do gymnastics with my daughter or go and sit in the staffroom at the bank. There are lots of things I can't do becuase it's not appropriate for me to be there. At no point do I storm into a bank and tell them to stop treating me like a criminal and let me have a look at the money.

Stop raising your boys up be so entitled and so selfish and inconsiderate no one can be anywhere or do anything without them.

Stop enabling them to grow up thinking they are the most important being on the planet.

Stop trying to infiltrate girls and wonens spaces as some kind of validation of your personal safety and superior status.

I had no idea this was happening and I just stumbled across this thread by chance. I'm horrified. My DD is way past the age of GG but I have granddaughters who may one day want to attend. We need to keep them safe. Thank you for bringing this to my attention and for fighting the female corner. A pp mentioned crowd funding support, how do I find this please?

Its breathtaking isn't it Sarah? How arrogant and entitled are these boys?

Hear hear @SarahTancredi

You made me howl at the thought of someone storming into my office and demanding I open the safe. And then i realised that I need another member of staff of the same grade as me, a member of security and fill in a form why the safe was opened. Usually followed up by a phone call from head office because the safe has been opened ( I don't work in a bank but do work in a place with money). An inanimate object has more protection than a girl right now.

I'm not even allowed open the petty cash without another staff member. Maybe I should go and demand and tantrum about why head office thinks I want to steal.

Security can dial in and see what we are doing at all times.

We all have personal codes fir things so responsibility can be traced back to the individual.
No ones throwing tantrums because the company needs to ensure everything remains legit and the money can he accounted for.

Did my area manager kick off when I asked fir ID when I'd never met them ? No. In fact id have been in more trouble had I let them wander around without checking.

Learn to respect boundaries and accept being told no sometimes.

Or don't be surprised when they turn out like that Liam.hackett kicking off over twitter cos he wasn't allowed into a room to support his friend where women were half naked waiting for their breast exams none of whom had anyone in there with them either.

How arrogant and entitled are these boys?

In many cases, perhaps not so arrogant and entitled as their parents? I'd be somewhat curious to know how many transgirls are actively asking to join GG entirely off their own bat versus parents (who may well see them as the most important being on the planet) suggesting it to them.

Well guides is from what age 10?

By that stage if parents are heavily affirmative they have been potentially in changing rooms 2 years after the cut off. Affirmed at school , possibly eveb been in.rainbows and brownies etc

Sadly probably we'll on their way to learning that girls boundries and needs are secondary to the wants and validation of the trans child.

Parents should know better than to teach their kid that. Its doing no one any favours.

Parents should know better than to teach their kid that. Its doing no one any favours.

But in a world where schools, the medical establishment and 'support' organisations are all 'affirming' as a matter of dogma, we can't entirely blame parents for not all knowing better. And GG has made itself part of that problem.

@tradition
I don't think we're allowed to put links to fundraisers here but if you google crowdjustice Katie Alcock girl guides or similar I'm sure you will find it
and thanks, we all need to pull together on this one

SarahTancredi - of course parents are accountable, but I suppose I blame the organisations more. They should be assessing things neutrally and based on evidence and in the case of schools and GG with proper consideration for impact on others.

I no longer have a dog in this fight (since I have given up being an assistant & Guider in Charge of several units last year) but I just wanted to add that related males/husbands could be on the same site as my girls, just in a separate tent/room & with separate toilet & wash facilities - IF the male held an appropriate DBS check if over 18. Otherwise not.

I had male support from my Husband & parents (all enhanced DBS Unit Helpers & some Scouters with extra GGUK DBS, without which I wouldn’t have been able to take the girls (5-18) away.

Believe me, offers of help from a lot of parents is non existent & you’re viewed as a non paid baby sitting service. That took every holiday allocation & weekend I had & I ended up very ill. Like, hospitalised ill!

Anyway, not my circus, not my monkeys anymore. But without men, many units wouldn’t function.

not sure what your point is ?

YABVU

Firstly to everyone who had a DC in GG their subs will not be spent on this. Subs are used by the leaders for rents, crafts, badges etc.
I'm presuming OP means the annual subscription which is used to pay for insurance. Now this insurance covers GG for a range of things including personal injury etc it is also used to cover your leaders in case of an injury that happened in the unit.
The annual subscription is also used to pay for training sessions for your leaders including first aid, safeguarding and DBS checks.
The annual subscription also covers marketing costs, costs to pay any ambassadors, costs to keep our HQ in London up and running and pay staff members, costs for making badges, costs for organising international trips etc.
From looking at my details from this year GGUK asked for a £16 contribution the rest of the cost that you may or may not pay is made up by region and county.

So what you are paying for is so much more than this court case. Please don't listen to the OP and presume all your money has been spent on this because this is simply not true.

GGUK is already struggling for leaders as we are viewed as a cheap babysitting service and a lot of work is going into changing this view.
Because some areas are so short of leaders we have to appeal to the parents in order to keep the unit running. If a dad says he will help then we will take that help. If YOU have an issue of males in the GGUK space then you offer to help.

OP you are massively unreasonable and need to get a grip

But without men, many units wouldn’t function.
I totally agree, and I've had several great dad occasional helpers (though funnily nobody seems to actually ask them to do anything, just lets them hang around being an extra body, even where they ARE good and WILL get on with stuff). And on residentials, they are risk assessed as males. What's missing here, is risk assessment of another group of males, as males.

to everyone who had a DC in GG their subs will not be spent on this.
Almost every unit I'm aware of (certainly, every one I've talked to locally) raises the funds for the annual "census" (levy to HQ) by adding an amount to parent subs that is paid weekly or monthly.
Those that don't, ask parents for the amount separately. This is unpopular with parents because "census" is due in Feb meaning the parent payment is due in Jan, straight after Christmas.
It is all coming from parents.
Where did I say all their money is being spent on this?

OP you are massively unreasonable and need to get a grip

I dont recall the OP saying no male helpers or that all the money the GG get is going on the legal case

Could you point it out in the thread please

The issue isnt males in GG spaces

the issue is males identifying as women in GG spaces and being treated as women in all regards including safeguarding

Why would a convicted rapist be in a tent with ANY children? Where do you get that from? A DBS check requires all former names used from birth. Has this actually happened before and if so, can you provide the details, links to the facts? Because it's quite sick to pigeon hole people as being rapists for merely being trans.

I don't think I mentioned being trans and I was clear that I was talking about a teen in GG npt a helper or other adult./

There are children with convictions for rape. With self ID a teenage rapist can access GG as a girl and share tent space.

any inappropriate behaviour is dealt with in case by case basis like any inappropriate behaviour should be dealt with

Bollox to that, why do we have to wait for inappropriate behaviours to take place before we safeguard children?

if YOU have an issue of males in the GGUK space then you offer to help

Oh apologies

You meant anyone not the OP specifically

@RufustheRowlingReindeer sorry yes I meant if as a parent you have an issue

To confirm I know OP didn't say that men can't help I'm replying to a range of comments throughout the thread that has made that out to be their thinking!

@Kit19 the guidance that I have from my region has very stringent safeguarding policies for anyone who identifies as a female however was not born a female in terms of meeting activities and if you go away. There is lots of thought and planning not just yes that's fine off you go.

@KatieAlcock your opening post and title suggests that this is the case. Even if they are put together your parents should be aware of the desperate nature of these charges

A DBS check requires all former names used from birth. Has this actually happened before and if so, can you provide the details, links to the facts?

In actual fact there are huge loopholes here. You are not supposed to change your name if you are on the sex offenders’ register but you can and the deed poll process doesn’t stop you. Sky reported just yesterday that the police had lost track of 900+ sex offenders who have changed their names - including while in prison for sex offences. So it is a real risk. And yes men will do this get access to women and girls. Here’s the news story.

news.sky.com/story/more-than-900-sex-offenders-disappear-from-police-radar-with-many-changing-their-names-and-not-telling-officers-12036341