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To think unless you are actually medically exempt you can't get out of wearing a mask?

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Simsie · 24/07/2020 17:38

People on social media are telling others to download a basic picture of text saying "I am exempt from wearing a mask" to present at supermarkets if they don't want to wear a mask.

Not medically exempt, no hidden disabilities, just for those don't want to wear one.

Surely that crap isn't going to work?

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Zilla1 · 25/07/2020 16:51

I expect any letter or badge would be copy-able or steal-able by morons (NHS id gets stolen regularly possibly more so during lockdown by dealers, as do 'Blue badges' for parking) so ultimately, a system that relies on reasonable people acting reasonably might require police action for inappropriate claiming exemption).

I don't want to wear a mask, it's..... itchy. I have rights. COVID is fake news - Darth Vader.

HeIenaDove · 25/07/2020 17:08

www.disabilitynewsservice.com/coronavirus-fears-over-face-covering-hate-crime-as-new-laws-go-live/

Coronavirus: Fears over ‘face covering hate crime’ as new laws go live
By John Pring on 23rd July 2020
Category: Crime

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Disabled people have raised serious concerns about the rising tide of coronavirus-related disability hate crime, amid fears that this could increase even further when new laws on the wearing of face coverings go live tomorrow.

From tomorrow (Friday), it will be compulsory to wear a face covering in shops and supermarkets in England.

Many disabled people are exempt, the government has made clear.

But despite those exemptions, many disabled people who cannot wear face coverings have already been subjected to disability-related hostility online and while travelling on public transport, where it is already compulsory – except for those with exemptions – to wear a face covering.

Stephen Brookes, a former coordinator of the Disability Hate Crime Network and now an ambassador for Disability Rights UK, has written to key figures in government, the police, the Crown Prosecution Service (CPS) and disability organisations about his concerns on “mask hostility”.

He says in his letter: “In my 12 years of dealing with disability hate crime up to June 2018, it was clear that abuse of disabled people has always been problematic at times of tension, but we are now in uncharted territory, which is supported by examples we are seeing at all levels.”

Brookes (pictured, left), who is also the minister for disabled people’s rail sector champion, although he was not speaking in that capacity, added: “We must both re-assure and support disabled people in terms of real hostility and remind perpetrators that verbal abuse can still be recognised as a potential hate crime and as such will not be tolerated.

“Can we all take stock and ensure that disabled people are not bullied out of any normal life we should be able to expect, and remind the public and those who affect our lives that the added pressure of fear should not be added to an already difficult situation.”

He has also now raised concerns about comments made during a radio interview yesterday (Wednesday) by the Metropolitan police’s commissioner, Cressida Dick.

Asked about customers who were refusing to wear masks in shops, she told LBC: “My hope is that the vast majority of people will comply, and that people who are not complying will be shamed into complying or shamed to leave the store by the store keepers or by other members of the public.”

Brookes said: “This statement by Met chief Cressida Dick is most seriously unhelpful, and potentially could lead to hostility and hate crime against those who can’t wear face masks.

“She needs to change and clarify that view most urgently.”

Last week, Fazilet Hadi (pictured, centre), head of policy for Disability Rights UK, called on the government to recognise the need for “balanced messaging” on face coverings, including “that some disabled people cannot wear face coverings and that this should be respected”.

She told the minister for disabled people, Justin Tomlinson, in a letter: “If the messaging doesn’t change, millions of disabled people will not be able to safely leave their homes.

“For those of us that do, we will experience fear, anxiety, possible conflict with public and police and demands to prove our impairment/illness.”

Inclusion London is the lead organisation for the London DDPO Hate Crime Partnership, working with 20 Deaf and disabled people’s organisations (DDPOs) across the capital.

During the coronavirus crisis, it has been running a weekly survey of DDPOs that run hate crime advocacy services on the incidence and types of hate crime disabled people have experienced during lockdown, and now it is being eased.

Its latest weekly survey found 62 per cent of DDPOs reported an increase in disability hate crime referrals on the previous week.

Among the trends, Inclusion London has seen a rise in disability hate crime by neighbours of disabled people, and an increase in cases of disabled people being spat at while out in public because of the mistaken idea that disabled people are “virus spreaders”.

There has also been an increase in online hate crime, with disabled people “told that their lives are inferior and [that they] are taking up resources from non-disabled people”.

Disabled people have also reported being targeted while shopping if they have personal assistants or carers with them or if they need priority in shopping queues.

Inclusion London said: “Disability hate crime during the coronavirus pandemic has not come from nowhere – the image of disabled people as virus spreaders and taking resources from non-disabled people must be tackled.”

It added: “The core belief that disabled people’s lives are of less value than non-disabled people must be continually challenged through working closely with DDPOs.”

Another to have become concerned about online disability hate crime is disabled campaigner Victoria Langley.

She said she had been told on social media that disabled people like her should be locked inside until there was a vaccine because they “are more likely to catch it and pass it on”.

One nurse told her on Instagram that all those not wearing masks should be forced to sign away their rights to health equipment and treatment by health professionals who are “risking their lives because of you”.

Another woman told her on Instagram: “Trees are awesome and worth sobbing over.

“Bus drivers getting killed because they’re doing their job are worth sobbing over, people who don’t wear a mask because they are disabled, not worth sobbing for.

“I looked at your profile, you seemed fine???”

Langley said she found the widespread hostile comments on social media “scary” as a disabled person.

She said: “It’s made me petrified to go out.

“I’m scared to go out because people are not just being hostile, they do not care that being disabled makes it hard.

“I feel totally scared and boxed in with zero support.

“The government are ending all support and saying go out, but the general public want us locked in. I feel helpless and scared.”

Disabled researcher, author and campaigner David Wilkin (pictured, right) has been collecting examples of disabled people who have been subjected to disability-related hostility linked to the government’s COVID-19 regulations.

Wilkin, the lead coordinator of the Disability Hate Crime Network, has already collected more than 50 such cases.

One disabled passenger on public transport, who cannot wear a face covering, was targeted by another passenger, who shouted: “This person hasn’t got a mask. This person is trying to infect us. They are trying to kill us.”

A disabled train passenger who did not have a face mask because of breathing difficulties was confronted by another passenger, who refused to listen to their explanation, took a spare mask out of their pocket and forced them to put it on.

Wilkin said: “They were under so much pressure that they put the face mask on and left the train.

“They felt that was the only way to placate the offender.”

Wilkin said he was concerned there would be further cases when the ban in shops and supermarkets comes into force tomorrow.

He said: “It’s definitely a concern. It’s bad enough to be grounded because you don’t want to use public transport, but you have to eat.

“The general concern is that the government, while they have delivered clear messages about face coverings… are not making the same number of messages about the exemptions.

“That is causing real problems.”

But he said he believed the government and public bodies were listening, as he has online meetings next week with both the Cabinet Office and CPS.

A CPS spokesperson told Disability News Service (DNS): “The law exempts those who cannot put on or wear a face covering because of physical or mental illness or impairment, or disability while using public transport.

“The same exemption will apply when face coverings become mandatory in shops.

“Our updated guidance to prosecutors will make this clear.

“If disabled people are victims of hate crime as a result then the CPS won’t hesitate to prosecute perpetrators if our legal test is met.”

Deputy chief constable Mark Hamilton, hate crime lead for the National Police Chiefs’ Council, told DNS in a statement: “We understand that many disabled people, and particularly those with ‘hidden’ disabilities, could be worried about being challenged by others if they are not wearing face coverings in a setting that requires it.

“Government guidelines set out a number of exemptions to the wearing of masks, including on grounds of disability.

“Some external organisations have developed ways to indicate that an individual is exempt, such as wearing badges.

“The government and the police have developed extensive guidance on these requirements, and police officers across the country have received training on how to recognise where an individual may have an exemption due to disability.”

He added: “Any disabled person who is victim of hate crime should report it to the police by either calling 999 (in an emergency) or 101.

“Additionally, you can report crime online at True Vision (report-it.org.uk). True Vision also contains helpful information and guidance materials on disability hate crime and COVID-19.”

LangClegsInSpace · 25/07/2020 20:10

@Gingernaut

Technically, I should be exempt, as I'm an asthmatic.

Practically, I'm in masks all day at work, it makes no difference.

Then you are not exempt. There is no 'technical exemption' for asthma or any other condition.

People who CANNOT wear a mask are exempt. That's not you.

LangClegsInSpace · 25/07/2020 20:20

@islockdownoveryet

I've just been to the supermarket and everyone was wearing a mask even a few kids except 1 guy who came in to buy some masks Hmm.
I don't think the Hmm is warranted here.

We must wear masks unless we have a 'reasonable excuse' not to. The regs give a non-exhaustive list of examples of 'reasonable excuses'.

'I don't have a mask and have come to this shop to buy some.'

Seems reasonable to me, although obviously it would be for a magistrate to decide if it ever went that far.

Yes, he could possibly have ordered some online and sat indoors for days waiting for them to arrive, or he could have made something ineffective out of an old sock, or whatever.

You don't need an unavoidable excuse though, just a reasonable one.

Hearhoovesthinkzebras · 25/07/2020 20:25

It added: “The core belief that disabled people’s lives are of less value than non-disabled people must be continually challenged through working closely with DDPOs.”

Hhhmmm, how many times has this view been expressed on MN over the past four months?

SheepandCow · 25/07/2020 20:43

@Hearhoovesthinkzebras

It added: “The core belief that disabled people’s lives are of less value than non-disabled people must be continually challenged through working closely with DDPOs.”

Hhhmmm, how many times has this view been expressed on MN over the past four months?

Clearly some disabled lives matter more than others. The millions of disabled clinically vulnerable appear to be in the don't matter category.
Hearhoovesthinkzebras · 25/07/2020 20:49

SheepandCow

That much is becoming obvious.

TrainspottingWelsh · 25/07/2020 21:34

@LangClegsInSpace yes, I'm aware that an exemption system ran on the same lines as the bb one isn't really a practical option, and neither is the idea of the nhs providing them. I was responding to the pps that were objecting to the principle of a system of proof.

islockdownoveryet · 25/07/2020 23:35

Eh @LangClegsInSpace I wasn't suggesting otherwise I was saying that everyone was wearing a mask except someone who wanted to buy some . The Hmmwas because people have had over a week to buy masks . but I'm not surprised I went into a shop yesterday and a lady did at the same time did too not wearing a mask seamed genuinely surprised that no mask no entry. I can't can't the call the guy today he bought some masks and I'm sure he will wear them.

HeIenaDove · 25/07/2020 23:42

Some LIVES seem to matter more than others.
Had the fire brigade out here tonight. Neighbour had a leak through his kitchen light where they are doing the roofs. He phoned HA four times. I gave him the most recent no. for the contractor we have which was from late Feb (when they were originally going to do it) HA havent been out Neither has the contractor Vinci.
Im sick and tired of social tenants being treated like this.

HeIenaDove · 25/07/2020 23:53

First i knew of it was when i saw him standing in the car park and then firefighters coming round the corner.

Hearhoovesthinkzebras · 26/07/2020 00:02

@HeIenaDove

Some LIVES seem to matter more than others. Had the fire brigade out here tonight. Neighbour had a leak through his kitchen light where they are doing the roofs. He phoned HA four times. I gave him the most recent no. for the contractor we have which was from late Feb (when they were originally going to do it) HA havent been out Neither has the contractor Vinci. Im sick and tired of social tenants being treated like this.
What's that got to do with wearing masks?
HeIenaDove · 26/07/2020 00:07

Because it demonstrates that "we are all in this together" is bollocks.

Hearhoovesthinkzebras · 26/07/2020 00:15

@HeIenaDove

Because it demonstrates that "we are all in this together" is bollocks.
Well some of us clearly know we aren't all in this together but I'm not sure why a HA tenant with a leaky roof proves it?
Purplepie78 · 26/07/2020 00:30

The till operator in Iceland told me that they aren’t enforcing mask wearing. I believe other supermarkets have said the same.

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Hearhoovesthinkzebras · 26/07/2020 00:54

I hope folk who are nervous about going out, genuinely because they can't wear a mask, will feel a bit better and less stressed when they venture out as they SHOULD be able to do.

Does that include the extremely clinically vulnerable (shielded) disabled people too? Who should be able to venture out (from next weekend) without feeling nervous or stressed?

GertyTheGert · 26/07/2020 00:58

Hi Purplepie! Yep its not so much each shop saying whatever, as to what the Govt have said on their COVID website 23 July : Shop and supermarket staff. Face coverings are not required for employees in shops, supermarkets or indoor shopping centres. This also applies to banks, building societies and post office staff.

GertyTheGert · 26/07/2020 01:15

Sorry Hearhooves, am not sure what you mean (genuinely). I just mean to all those folk who feel nervous going out without a mask, because they genuinely cannot wear one, please hopefully feel a bit better about venturing out. Its everyone's right to get out there and shop and walk down a street without fear of reprisals.........ESPEC vulnerable people who may feel a bit nervous venturing forth .....

HeIenaDove · 26/07/2020 01:16

I just wrote this. Not bad considering i havent done it for years.

Masks are a real drag
But its all about the price tag
Now you need to do your duty.
And shop for clothes and beauty.
Dont forget about shoes.
And stuff you possibly wont use.
And you can go to the pub
Eat lots of lovely grub.
With not a mask in sight.
You can party all night.
Drinkers getting a free pass
So they can drink and fall on their arse.
Had enough of this crap
Sick of being in this trap
Up to me if i dont shop
It doesnt mean you can have a pop.
Now i play the waiting game.
But you wont make me feel shame.
I will wear a mask
But suffering in it is too big an ask

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SchrodingersImmigrant · 26/07/2020 08:33

Maybe you should go and lobby the gov to back out from the mask wearing etc? You know so no one has to "suffer" wearing them. And all the other safety measures people regularly moan here about? Whoever dies, dies, but at least no one will have to "suffer" shopping in facemasks and "suffer" through one way system. Or shit holidays because pools are closed etc. It doesn't matter other countries would not allow travel from here to there. Who needs them, many of them are just stupid for wearing masks and thinking they work anyway. Probably feel like they are better than Britain so good riddance.

Yay, Britain.

I am muting all mask threads from now because even though I know it will be the biggest But Olympics of MN with the longest ever posts, I always end up commenting anyway. Damn I have to learn. @FourPillars was right btw.

Mydogisthebestest · 26/07/2020 08:49

But @SchrodingersImmigrant how would you know by looking at me if I’m legitimately exempt or not?

BrightYellowDaffodil · 26/07/2020 09:27

But @SchrodingersImmigrant how would you know by looking at me if I’m legitimately exempt or not?

As if that matters to some! I have increasingly seen an attitude in other quarters of “Well I had to shield because of my physical health so if people now suffer with their mental health or in a different way because of physical health, tough. We’ve suffered, now it’s your turn.”

Who needs to worry about Tokyo 2021 when we’ve got the Misery Olympics right here?

Dinosauratemydaffodils · 26/07/2020 10:09

Does that include the extremely clinically vulnerable (shielded) disabled people too? Who should be able to venture out (from next weekend) without feeling nervous or stressed?

Based on what I've seen when dh facetimes me from shops/reports from him & friends, unlikely. We've had masks here for 3 weeks now, now people aren't social distancing any more and most mask usage is unhygienic. Dh is fit and healthy in his early 40s and he's finding it stressful trying to dodge people. I imagine anyone whose has been shielding would find it exceedingly unpleasant.