To think this man is disturbed

[jackdawdawn]

I had a conversation with a neighbour today. He lives alone and is late 40s-ish.

He had just been to the gym and started complaining about their showers being closed. Then he said, 'there is worse to come, you know.'

He started to talk about the government forcing people to wear masks, and about C19 being a myth, with the death rates made up by govts . He got quite agitated.

He mentioned a movement called the 'Illuminati' and said they were trying to take over the world (?) About Bill Gates and Elon Musk and other famous men being part of a paedophile ring, which also includes Chinese and BLM figures, which Trump has rumbled and is trying to investigate. About the new telecommunications satellites and 5G masts spying on people . And then some rant about MMR giving kids autism. I just nodded my head, I wasn't going to start arguing.

I know that conspiracy theories are rife online right now, but surely beliefs like this are excessive? I think this man is disturbed and needs to be assessed or evaluated. He is separated and single, as far as I know, but has two children who sometimes come to stay but what is his mental state, really? When does conspiracy theorism shade into paranoia?

I know his mum and dad and sister to see (they all live locally), but it would be a difficult conversation!

I think there is definitely some truth in the paedophile theories, have you seen the pictures of Epstein with Trump, Clinton and of course Andrew.

It's pointless having a conversation with a conspiracy theorist, they just think you are a sheeple who can't think for yourself. It doesn't mean they are mentally ill though, the couple of conspiracy nuts I know are otherwise normal and functional people.

@Shouldbedoing

I wouldn't worry too much about him. As a single man he has all the time in the world to watch conspiracy theory videos. They can be very convincing too - my ex was a 9/11 conspiracy theorist. Unfortunately, the Internet is an excellent tool for propagating bullshit.

The jury's still out on 9/11, but no one is so willing or has enough strength to convince anyone of anything other than the exact story sugar that's been fed to you by the relevant authorities. You only learn what gets taught to you and you don't go against the grain, do you? Your neighbour was most likely lonely or alone and in need of decent company. Some empathy wouldn't go amiss.

@jackdawdawn

Are people online really making that stuff up about Gates and Musk?

Yes, I do think he is batshit, but he is meant to be responsible for the welfare of kids. Personally I don't hold out much hope for the poor kids if that is their dad.I'm just trying to think of my mum and dad coming out with something similar and imagining what my childhood would have been like.

Yes they are. He sounds like my school FB friend. He constantly posting shit that makes him sound completely deluded. All the se stuff and more that you've quoted.

Plus the whole everyone's an alien David Icke shit

Plus the other day a while load of famous people who have apparently been taken out and assassinated. A huge proportion of which are alive and well so not sure what he thought when he saw them on TV or whatever.

He was a very nice guy at school. It's a shame.

PlanDeRaccordement Thu 23-Jul-20 23:36:35
3 of the 5 things he mentioned have a grain of truth to them, so he’s not irrational.

Can you elaborate? Seriously intrigued!

• Government forcing people to wear masks
• C19 a myth
• Bill Gates and Elon Musk paedophile ting
• 5G masts worries
• Autism

Which are baloney then and which have a grain of truth in your opinion?

So if people don't agree with you then they are not fit to raise kids... Right. Bit batshit tbf

About Paul McCartney.....

Does nobody else think it strange that he went from being a talented singer songwriter to being relatively talent free so quickly?
Or why his looks changed?
Or why his children bear a startling resemblence to those of a certain brewing family?

He certainly crammed a lot into one conversation! I’ve found this too. Once they get going they can’t stop and regurgitate every conspiracy theory they can come up with. It’s totally bizarre. Of course, they believe we’re the bizarre ones.

does this make me a bad granny?

I would just leave him alone. I don't think you need to do anything. There's not really much negative consequence to the world at large from him thinking those things, other than that when he corners people like you, you have to listen to his boring rants.

You worry for his kids because he has done some research and has a different ideas to you?

Imagine if he tracked your family down in the street and said he was concerned for your kids because you hold different beliefs to him.

These theories are really common, lots of people believe them, it's hardly something to worry about.

There’s a lot of stupid people about. You only have to spend 5 minutes on Facebook to see that.

Oh dear...He isn't much of a critical thinker, is he?...
Such tired old conspiracy theories too.

Assume he also thinks the Twin Towers Tragedy was also an ''Inside Job'' done with hologram planes and Thermite?

Lots of people believe that God sent his son, who was also himself, to earth to be born of a virgin and later get crucified in order to save us from our own sin. Now they go to church and drink his blood every Sunday.
This crazy belief is somehow lauded and called 'faith'...
Everything else is a 'conspiracy theory ' to which only mad people who shouldn't look after children subscribe.....

All conspiracy theorists are holograms beamed through my catflap from my vagina for my entertainment. Pay them no mind.

@Destroyedpeople Paul mcartney is my favourite conspiracy

My friend who is big on all the same conspiracies as this guy is now using the fact that the paedophile ring conspiracy is seemingly proved now as true as proof that the rest of her conspiracies must also be true

I’ve noticed that conspiracy theorists all tend to be the same sort of person; slightly angry, smokes weed, use way too many words in a sentence, especially when they’re explaining flat earth theories to the sheeple.
It’s actually quite interesting and I wonder about the psychology behind believing in something quite as out there as the earth being flat.

[quote Rebelwithallthecause]@Destroyedpeople Paul mcartney is my favourite conspiracy [/quote]
It’s a good one.
Mine is the country that doesn’t exist ...was it Finland ?

@Rebelwithallthecause...

Mine too.......love it all the more as it's one that pre dates the internet...

I honestly do wonder if there's some truth in it....

Stella McCartney looks an awful lot like a young Tara Browne. Startlingly so.

[quote Destroyedpeople]@Rebelwithallthecause...

Mine too.......love it all the more as it's one that pre dates the internet...

I honestly do wonder if there's some truth in it....

Stella McCartney looks an awful lot like a young Tara Browne. Startlingly so.[/quote]
Yy, I really like that it predates the internet.
I wonder what some of the earliest conspiracies would be.
I find this subject really fascinating.

No point arguing with him. He is very fixed in his belief. My friend was talking to me about the uber healthy green juice friend she has. Apparently she’s in a group, who believes it’s an conspiracy. Apparently if you get it, it’s because you’re not healthy enough.

For me, conspiracy theories come from a place of fear.

Yes, the Paul McCartney one is fascinating - especially the idea that the Beatles were giving subliminal clues in their songs and album covers - most famously Paul-as-corpse on the iconic Abbey Road picture.

...and of course the whole 'clues' thing was so overdone that now if you mention the 'Paul is dead' theory to anyone you get laughed at. Of course one joins in....

Yet if you ask the people who are laughing if they have ever heard of Tara Browne. ..and you just get blank looks...

The illuminati are real, FYI

The current situation isn't doing anyone's MH any favours. On the opposite end of the spectrum you get the perfectly low risk people who still won't leave their houses & the people on Twitter who genuinely think the Tories let Covid spread like wildlife to cull the elderly (because they want to polish off their key demography obviously).

Also I did a history PhD back in the day and conspiracy theories have absolutely always been with us. They just spread more quickly now.