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What you wish you were taught about money and earning it in a way you love?

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BetterCare · 21/07/2020 11:06

Sorry, this is a bit of a long one, so I thank you now if you make it to the end.

AIBU to ask what you wish you had been taught or learned, as you grew up, with regards to money, finances and how to earn it doing something you love?

It has been a tough couple of years. My Mum was home on palliative care at home for a year before she sadly passed away last year. A month after Mum was diagnosed my Dad was diagnosed with Dementia, and since Mum passed I have been caring for my Dad. The purpose of this post is not to give you a sop story but to give you a clue as to why I am thinking and asking about this subject.

The reason for this post is because it has been such a steep learning curve, over the past couple of years and has really got me thinking, worrying, researching………. Luckily my brother and I had the foresight to sort out Lasting Power of Attorneys just before all of this happened and since then we have been trying to sort out Mum and Dad’s finances. Luckily when Mum was sick her care was fully funded by Continuing Health Care, which is no mean feat because it was a constant battle to get the correct level of care and get the NHS to pay for it. However, it has been an eye-opener as to how much care costs. We are now having to plan any potential care costs that we may have to pay out for Dad. This has me worrying about how much I need to have put aside for any care I may need.

This has made me think about the whole area of money and life in general. Like I said Mum and Dad were not paid well and did jobs they didn’t enjoy very much. I was of that generation where following your dreams was never really talked about. I was expected to leave school, get a job and then all the things that come with that. I have had low paid jobs and high paid jobs and have hated every single one. I was well into adulthood before I learnt that you could do something you love and earn money from it.

I am asking because it is something that as you can read is on my mind a lot, I am thinking about the future for my Dad and myself. I don’t have children so I don’t have that added pressure. But I read too many Mumsnet posts that are an eye-opener and break my heart where women are left with the world on their shoulders. Ex partners that don’t pay or pay the minimum amount of maintenance, SHAMs who are unhappy in their relationships but feel forced to stay because they can’t afford to leave, women who take on jobs they hate because they need to work around school hours and child care, partners who are passing ships from long hours just to be able to pay the bills and at the extreme end the scary number of women who are in financially abusive relationships.

I think it has become more prevalent with lockdown which really seems to have widened the gap. I read somewhere it could take 40 years now to close the pay gap. It seems again women are bearing the brunt. Whilst men seemed to be able to return to work when requested, women are having to deal with limited or unavailable child care. During the lockdown, women seem to have taken on the bulk of homeschooling. Now its school holidays and some are finding that holiday clubs are not available. I know many women are worried about being made redundant, even fewer school hours and term time only jobs are available and we don’t know how this virus may still impact us. The list is endless.

Hindsight is a wonderful thing, but knowing what I know now and my own financial and job experience I have been asking myself what I wished I had been taught at school about finances, investing and also doing all this in a way that I would have loved. What I should have learnt in my 20s, 30s and taken action on? I think about niece now who will finish university soon I hope she is more financially savvy. This generation certainly has the resources available to learn but it is hard to think about being 60 when you are 20.

What do you wish you were taught about finances and money management and how you earn it as you grew up? Knowing what you know now what would you have done differently? Or has this pandemic, which changed our lives in such a dramatic way so quickly made you think differently?

I know this is not an AIBU in the strict sense but I think it is such an important topic I would be grateful to hear, as always from Mumsnet, your honest views. I may learn something that may set me on a new path and stop me panicking about old age and care costs.

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Devlesko · 21/07/2020 16:46

There just aren't enough "dream jobs" for everyone to have one.

I think if you asked there would be a variety of 'dream jobs" and plenty to go round.
One person's dream is another's nightmare.

BetterCare · 21/07/2020 16:50

@Smallsteps88 Is this the one you were talking about?

www.mumsnet.com/Talk/work/1538634-How-might-I-earn-1000-a-month-working-from-home?watched=1

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Smallsteps88 · 21/07/2020 17:00

No that’s the one that prompted it. Xenia then started another thread off the back of that one.

Purpleartichoke · 21/07/2020 17:01

There was never any question when I was growing up that I would go to university and get a good job. That is what was done and what would be done. It was so ingrained in me that I still to this day have trouble wrapping my head around the fact that there are parents who don’t set their children on that path.

Doing something I love wasn’t necessarily a part of the plan, though it was ok to have interests and I did find a career I love. I needed to do well In school and find a career that paid my bills. You work, you save, you buy only what you can afford.

That path has given me a lot of freedom in life. Having a good career gives you choices. It gives you flexibility that many people don’t have.

IveSeenThings · 21/07/2020 17:12

We're all dealt such different hands in life aren't we?
You sound lovely BetterCare - I do hope you have success in life, whatever form that takes for you Thanks

BatleyTownswomensGuild · 21/07/2020 17:49

Not really a life lesson as such but something I adhere to is the 'many a Penny makes a pound' principle. Just save small amounts as often as you can. It adds up. I often 'round down' my bank account on my internet banking. So if my account says I've got £78:00 in it, I transfer the £8:00 into my savings. Do that every few days and after a few months you notice the savings build up.

BatleyTownswomensGuild · 21/07/2020 17:50

Also sorry life is so tough right now, OP. Have been there myself and it sucks... Big hugs Thanks

EmmaStone · 21/07/2020 18:12

Interesting. My DH and I met at work in graduate-entry professional roles, starting on the same day. My dad did a similar role to me, and I found my way into it as I saw that it had afforded him (and me!) a comfortable life that had included travel. DH's parents were lower earners, and lower aspirations.

My mother (subtly) encouraged me to always have the capability of financial independence, as she had several friends when in their 30s/40s were left high and dry by deceitful husbands, and no careers themselves to fall back on. Although DH now earns significantly more than me, essentially we are equally as qualified, and if necessary, I could increase my earning power if required.

My DD has always been interested in independence, and is quite a bright cookie, I think she'll do well. But from a young age, if she pointed out for example, a house she liked, I would talk her back some steps and explain how much the house costs, what someone needs to earn to afford a mortgage for that price, how much you'd need in savings to afford the deposit, and crucially, what jobs/professions can and cannot meet those obligations.

We would then take further steps back - how would say a lawyer be able to afford the house. Well, they got a good training contract from a really good company. That company went to good universities to pick the best candidates. Those candidates got in the good universities by great A Levels, etc etc.

My DS is less academic, and less interested in this stuff (also ASD, so an added layer to contend with). We try to encourage similar points, but he may never be able to achieve what DD is potentially capable of.

I think the point about who you know in terms of career aspirations is really undervalued, and schools should be trying to address this by bringing in a variety of people for careers advice.

Kljnmw3459 · 21/07/2020 18:19

Money advice, career advice, knowledge, information etc won't get you anywhere if you lack confidence in yourself. If you're scared of putting yourself forward for the promotion, scared of going for that job with more responsibility and more money, taking on training, saying no to certain things or people. All rakes a certain amount of confidence that many people lack.

BetterCare · 21/07/2020 19:18

@IveSeenThings Thank you that is such a lovely thing to say. xx

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BetterCare · 21/07/2020 19:20

@Smallsteps88 Damn, I thought I had. I am determined to find it for you as you have been so helpful. I will put my investigating brain cell in and give it another go.

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BetterCare · 21/07/2020 19:22

@BatleyTownswomensGuild I love the idea of putting that extra money aside that is a great one for kids to learn.

Thank you for your kinds words it has been a bit shit but my Dad and I are doing ok and trying to stay positive.

xx

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bathorshower · 21/07/2020 19:24

I remember someone saying (thankfully some years after I became an adult!) that his parents had said 'find something you're good at, work hard at it, and you'll be able to make a living from it.' It had worked for him, but actually it's terrible advice.

DH is a geek, and spent much of his childhood learning to code. I did a fair bit of music, with two instruments to grade 8. But the reality is that grade 8 is far from sufficient to be a professional musician (and I didn't take music any further) whereas by the same age, DH was probably employable as a software engineer - you only have to be moderately competent, not brilliant to make it (as in have a career) in the tech sector; both of us went to university to study other subjects, but DH does indeed have a career in software engineering now. There are plenty of other examples where competency is enough, whereas in another field, world class brilliance is required. Sadly many people's 'dream jobs' would require the latter.

BetterCare · 21/07/2020 19:27

@EmmaStone I totally agree about having access to more diverse people, who do more diverse roles and job opportunities. I have met some amazing people who have incredible jobs that I didn't even know existed before I met them.

@Kljnmw3459 Could not agree with you more. I think education and self-development work is as important as the work it takes to understand an industry and a role.

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CakeandCoffeeQueen · 21/07/2020 20:53

Brilliant thread! My mum was very much do what you love and don’t under any circumstances end up in a boring office job. I have a 1st class art degree and can work really hard but I don’t think I’ll ever earn loads.
I always wanted a lifestyle where I could afford to go on holiday twice a year and have a really nice house. I wish someone had sat me down and said if you want life to be xyz then you need to do cuz degree or start in this type of office.

I am despite her lack of financial education very good a saving and good at understanding contracts etc, I just wish I could get my head round stocks and shares - I don’t know anyone who can help! Don’t get me started on pensions

Smallsteps88 · 21/07/2020 20:58

There are plenty of other examples where competency is enough, whereas in another field, world class brilliance is required.

This is an excellent point that has never occurred to me. I’ve always thought I’ll never have a career because I’m not very good at anything specific. (Not said in a pity party way but just that I don’t have a particular talent or skill) but actually you don’t need to be great- just put the time in and be willing. I’m going to pass this onto my eldest who gets disheartened because he isn’t very academic and thinks that rules him out of having a career.

bluebadgehelp101 · 21/07/2020 21:48

From an early age it was always instilled into me about saving/investing for the future and I knew early on that my dm was paying into a wedding/university fund for me, which I got accordingly. Growing up we never had new things as in up to date furniture in the way that my friends did, but I know now that dm just had different priorities and was able to give me and db a lump sum when my friends didn't get that.

The best advice I got was from my ex dh. He had grown up in a third world country but all of his family whilst financially poor were educationally rich (which then paid off and the children supported the parents) He taught me that aiming for a job that gave the best return for the least amount of effort was the way to go, and this is something that I encourage my dc to aim for. 'Dreams' and 'reaching for the stars' unfortunately does not pay bills, equally job satisfaction does not raise children or pay nursery fees. He also taught me not to have much pride in possessions and invest the money wisely instead into experiences so my house is a bit jumble sale-esque but the children have had a lot of cultural capital and we have travelled as much as possible.

Faith50 · 21/07/2020 22:49

Interesting thread. I relate to the posters who stated they had to work whilst at university to buy the basics.

I was not very academic but went through the whole education system as it was expected. My GCSEs were appalling so I retook them (shit school/major bullying), did a BTEC then a degree which has been of no use.

I could not join graduate schemes as I achieved a 2:2. 20 odd years ago employers required a 2:1 at minimum.

I started work at a very junior level and spent years working my way up to managment.

I know I could never have had a well paid professional career; doctor, lawyer, engineer as I am just not intelligent enough and do not have specific expertise.

I do have a good pension and I save - that I am thankful for.

When I browse on LinkedIn I am in awe of those who landed senior roles within ten years of graduating.

OhTheRoses · 21/07/2020 23:23

Hmm. I'm 60. Wasn't brilliant at school, dropped out of uni, learnt to cook, type and engage in conversation. First proper job was typing on a trading floor. Loved it. Got put on the syndicate desk, ran the syndicate desk, moved into a sales role. Good with figures and appreciate at 60 how well and how quickly I analyse problems/people/scenarios.

Never intended to have a career but I liked money and quickly weighed up in 1981 that property was at the bottom and I could just about stretch to buy which would provide a return and a place to live.

When I was 30ish and got married I was earning over 100k and had 75% equity in a London house. From about 23 I whacked as much as possible into a pension because why not have the employer contribution.

Met DH who was struggling at the start of his career but ambitious and with a strong work ethic. That was a good decision.

Had 7 years off from 36 to 43 pursuing my true ambition - to be a mummy. Started career two at the bottom - quasi public sector but local to be available for DC. Now a director and earn 6 figures- again (did a Masters and prof qual in this role - studying on top of a full-time job and family and workahic husband).

I think ultimately, I'm competitive, confident, very hard working, and easily weigh up people and how to get to what's required.

Nobody expected much of me (although well off background), and nor did I really. Somehow it all just seemed to happen but here's the but. When my friends were saying I was mad and boring and married to work in my mid 20s to 30s because I left parties at 9.45 to be in bed by 10.15, asleep by 10.30 because I left for work at 7am, or I just refused to go out mid week, I was quietly, steadily always reliable, always to be trusted. When I was 39 and they fled London due to money and their lives being hard they still moaned at me but because I was so lucky and it wasn't fair. Is it boring to save, buy a property, not rack up debt, work hard rather than back pack for two years or does it buy freedom later on?

You can't take out more than you put in and underlyingit all is the Micawber principle. And you have to like work.

Zenithbear · 21/07/2020 23:38

My dad told me never to have debt apart from a mortgage and to get 'a job for life'
Not much else but I had a lot of influence in a financial sense from my very rich auntie and uncle. I listened to how they had invested their money and I've ended up pretty much financially sorted. I do wish I'd paid more attention to pensions which aren't great but your money can only spread so far and I did a lot of nice living and holidays. Plus when we add our savings, pensions and rental income all together, we will still be able to retire early.

dicksplash · 22/07/2020 05:55

Reading this I have been very lucky. I'm in my early 40's and had a very good example from my mum of what not to do.

She married a year out of school with no qualifications as she messed about at school. She then didn't work and had me a year into being married. Eventually my dad left her with 3 children before she was 30 and life was a struggle on benefits.

She encouraged us all to stick at school and go to university. Although it wasn't encouraged as such to find a job you love it was very much phrased as what do you 'want' to do.

Although my husband and I are not high earners we both earn more than the national average with the potential to earn more and progress slightly.

When it came to having children we saved so I could have a year off work and then go part time. Yes it was hard at first working with young children especially when my new friends I met while on maternity leaver were all SAHM but I knew I didn't want to end up like my mum unable to support my children if my husband left us.

I had two sets of grandparents. Both grandmothers worked in dame field. One paid into occupational pension and one didn't (same grandmother opted out of state pension too as you used to be able to do as a woman). I also worked in the pensions department of my organisation and I dealt with so many women who hadn't started paying into schemes when young enough to actually have a decent pension to retire on. Women who opted out when pregnant as they needed the money but forgot to opt back in ditto for going part time.

I do think pensions should be a statutory deduction just like tax and NI. I know people say they can't afford to pay into a pension scheme but I suspect the same people will also say that if it was a choice they can't afford tax or ni either.

Childcare is a major issue I understand that. This is why we only had two children- i wanted and needed to stay in work but if we had three children I would have been working for next to nothing. I don't think many couples have the foresight to think about what they can afford and how important working is not just for now but for the future to. And remember you may need to be able to afford those children on your own in the future with little or no financial and physical help from the other parent.

BetterCare · 22/07/2020 10:26

@CakeandCoffeeQueen I agree with the stocks and shares every so often I get inspired and try and learn but I get overwhelmed by the information. Then I realise I need to focus and grow in areas I know I am good at, detailed analysis is not one of them.

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BetterCare · 22/07/2020 10:29

@Smallsteps88 I think this is where education fails because there is so much emphasis on the tangible and not enough on pulling out those intangible traits and very often those are the ones that push you to success and when people realise that they have them then they grow the confidence to use them.

I love James Altuchers Chose Yourself and Choose Yourself Guide to Wealth books because they are about ideas being currency and using what you to create income.

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BikeRunSki · 22/07/2020 10:29

My father advised me not to do something I loved for a living, because I’d have to do it when I was having a bad day, when things didn’t go right, with a cold, with a hangover (!), out of the need to earn a crust, when I’d rather be doing something else..:.

I do something I really like, but I save the thing I love for my time.

BetterCare · 22/07/2020 10:31

I want to thank everyone for posting their responses. It is fascinating the different views and experiences. I am blown away by the response.

I am sorry I haven't responded to everyone but I have read every single response several times over so thank you, thank you, thank you.

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