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What you wish you were taught about money and earning it in a way you love?

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BetterCare · 21/07/2020 11:06

Sorry, this is a bit of a long one, so I thank you now if you make it to the end.

AIBU to ask what you wish you had been taught or learned, as you grew up, with regards to money, finances and how to earn it doing something you love?

It has been a tough couple of years. My Mum was home on palliative care at home for a year before she sadly passed away last year. A month after Mum was diagnosed my Dad was diagnosed with Dementia, and since Mum passed I have been caring for my Dad. The purpose of this post is not to give you a sop story but to give you a clue as to why I am thinking and asking about this subject.

The reason for this post is because it has been such a steep learning curve, over the past couple of years and has really got me thinking, worrying, researching………. Luckily my brother and I had the foresight to sort out Lasting Power of Attorneys just before all of this happened and since then we have been trying to sort out Mum and Dad’s finances. Luckily when Mum was sick her care was fully funded by Continuing Health Care, which is no mean feat because it was a constant battle to get the correct level of care and get the NHS to pay for it. However, it has been an eye-opener as to how much care costs. We are now having to plan any potential care costs that we may have to pay out for Dad. This has me worrying about how much I need to have put aside for any care I may need.

This has made me think about the whole area of money and life in general. Like I said Mum and Dad were not paid well and did jobs they didn’t enjoy very much. I was of that generation where following your dreams was never really talked about. I was expected to leave school, get a job and then all the things that come with that. I have had low paid jobs and high paid jobs and have hated every single one. I was well into adulthood before I learnt that you could do something you love and earn money from it.

I am asking because it is something that as you can read is on my mind a lot, I am thinking about the future for my Dad and myself. I don’t have children so I don’t have that added pressure. But I read too many Mumsnet posts that are an eye-opener and break my heart where women are left with the world on their shoulders. Ex partners that don’t pay or pay the minimum amount of maintenance, SHAMs who are unhappy in their relationships but feel forced to stay because they can’t afford to leave, women who take on jobs they hate because they need to work around school hours and child care, partners who are passing ships from long hours just to be able to pay the bills and at the extreme end the scary number of women who are in financially abusive relationships.

I think it has become more prevalent with lockdown which really seems to have widened the gap. I read somewhere it could take 40 years now to close the pay gap. It seems again women are bearing the brunt. Whilst men seemed to be able to return to work when requested, women are having to deal with limited or unavailable child care. During the lockdown, women seem to have taken on the bulk of homeschooling. Now its school holidays and some are finding that holiday clubs are not available. I know many women are worried about being made redundant, even fewer school hours and term time only jobs are available and we don’t know how this virus may still impact us. The list is endless.

Hindsight is a wonderful thing, but knowing what I know now and my own financial and job experience I have been asking myself what I wished I had been taught at school about finances, investing and also doing all this in a way that I would have loved. What I should have learnt in my 20s, 30s and taken action on? I think about niece now who will finish university soon I hope she is more financially savvy. This generation certainly has the resources available to learn but it is hard to think about being 60 when you are 20.

What do you wish you were taught about finances and money management and how you earn it as you grew up? Knowing what you know now what would you have done differently? Or has this pandemic, which changed our lives in such a dramatic way so quickly made you think differently?

I know this is not an AIBU in the strict sense but I think it is such an important topic I would be grateful to hear, as always from Mumsnet, your honest views. I may learn something that may set me on a new path and stop me panicking about old age and care costs.

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Smallsteps88 · 21/07/2020 12:24

I have @Xenia to thank for encouraging my niece and ds to aim high.

Xenia’s £1000 a day thread will always remain one of the most inspirational and life changing threads on MN for me.

W1ngs0fChang3 · 21/07/2020 12:25

Paid into a work pension since my 20s

Always saved something every pay day, so that I have some emergency funds

Kept an eye on my own personal finances regularly.

Have invested in different financial areas, so not in all " one pot" like; property, shares, ISAs, other assets

There is plenty of financial info on the internet, but it was not so easy in the past

My job has not been affected by the virus so far. However, I have friends who have, so I am aware that these are currently difficult times

Now that I am slightly older, there needs to be a balance between saving & spending. No point in working & not having any fun !
Save some, spend some Grin

Teacher12345 · 21/07/2020 12:25

My mum always said you should do whatever you love. Well thats not much better advice than being told to get a job earning well whether you like it or not.
My mum is lucky that as my dad earns well, she can earn pittance in a job she loves. My sister now also earns pittance in the same job as my mum but she so far, doesn't have a rich husband to pay the bills so currently still lives at home. She probably will struggle to increase her earnings in her current job too so is probably (if she sticks with her current BF) going to be earning only just enough to make it by for many years to come.
I think people should be taught that there is a balance between responsibility and happiness and that it is hard to find!

Devlesko · 21/07/2020 12:32

OP, that has made my day, honestly Thanks My philosophy is usually met with eye rolls, or worst still comments of being batshit crazy.
Doesn't work for everyone but it's refreshing not to be poo pooed

Finals1234 · 21/07/2020 12:33

@Waterdropsdown

Honestly I think more attention should be paid to follow a higher earning career rather than do “something you love”. Earning well gives many freedoms which makes life easier and usually higher earning jobs allow for more flexibility which is so important for keeping women in the workforce post children.
Totally agree with this, I earn well now (due to luck not planning), and as a single mum I am so grateful that life panned out this way. I'll definitely be teaching my children the same - work in a high-paying profession to enable easier life-choices.

I see so many intelligent married women who defer to their DHs to take care of the finances and long-term planning, and have no clue about any of it themselves. This was me too, when I was married.

Now I feel much more empowered as I have been forced to make my own financial decisions.

loobyloo1234 · 21/07/2020 12:34

I definitely wish my parents had told me how important it was to save and start pensions at an early age. I figured it out for myself eventually but not until long after I should have. Maybe because they had DC when they were young so had no savings themselves?

I would definitely tell my own DC the importance of all of this

Finals1234 · 21/07/2020 12:34

@Smallsteps88

I have @Xenia to thank for encouraging my niece and ds to aim high.

Xenia’s £1000 a day thread will always remain one of the most inspirational and life changing threads on MN for me.

Does this thread still exist? Is there a link to it somewhere? I would love to read it.
zingally · 21/07/2020 12:40

Like someone else said... I think you aspire towards things you see others around you do.

You might hear about other jobs, but without someone to guide you, you just don't know where to begin.

I remember when I had just left school, I read something about customs and illegal trade across borders. I thought, "that sounds interesting", and wrote off to someone who sent me a little package of leaflets. But I just didn't know what to do next, so never pursued it.

I ended up in teaching, just because that's what my dad did. I enjoyed many parts of my teaching career, but also found many parts incredibly stressful and damaging to my health, mental and physical.
Stuck it out for 10 years.

I'm now a supply teacher (often get no respect, but LOVE the variety and excitement of each day!) and run my own private tutoring business. I make broadly similar money, but have gone from working a 70+ hour week, down to the low 40s.
Covid-aside, I've had the happiest 2 years of my life professionally. No more anxiety and my health is the best it's been in years.

I'm not getting much career progression any more, but the increase to my quality of life has been beyond measure.
I've learnt to realise that I'm never going to be "Mrs Career Woman", but as long as I have enough money for the things I enjoy, I'm all good. You don't have to be high ambition, or a high earner. As long as you're happy with the choices you've made.

W1ngs0fChang3 · 21/07/2020 12:42

I never wanted the financial set up that my parents had

Which is why I've always earned my own money & made my own choices

Waiting42021 · 21/07/2020 12:43

I’m another one who says that we can’t all do what we love. And in my own experience, when you do what you love as a job, it can sometimes make you hate what you used to love Grin

What do I wish I’d known? I wish I’d realised earlier on that money is important. I spent my early 20s wasting my time in entry level jobs because at the time, that was what I enjoyed. I had a life outside of work and as long as I earned just enough to cover my living expenses I was happy.

Now I’m a bit older, I’m realising how much time (and money) I wasted. I’ve just reached a turning point with my own finances, and I’ve recently started investing. I also have a small pension pot. There’s not much in it yet, but it’s a start (and I won’t be retiring for at least 25 years)!

I look back at how much earning potential I’ve wasted over the last few years and it does make me feel disappointed in myself, if I’m honest. I’m glad I’ve had this realisation now! Although based on what I’ve read in this thread, everyone has completely different views on this!

BetterCare · 21/07/2020 12:43

@Devlesko I think it is such a refreshing way to live. I had the high paying and it made me miserable and had such a negative impact on my life because so much of our, days, weeks, months....... is taken up with work.

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BetterCare · 21/07/2020 12:44

@Finals1234 I was going to ask the same as @Smallsteps88.

Do you have the link?

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megletthesecond · 21/07/2020 12:45

Place marking.

CarterBeatsTheDevil · 21/07/2020 12:46

So much that I agree with so far. My parents were crap with money. I was put under huge pressure to borrow in huge sums to keep them going. I took out loans to pay back huge credit card debts not once but twice before I realised that was a stupid thing to do (to be fair the bank pushed me as well). Since I had been raised to believe that debt was good and had never seen an adult do anything that could be described as saving money, I also had huge debts of my own. It took me 15 years to turn things around. I'm finally permanently in the black and my only debt is my mortgage. I am very proud of myself for achieving this. I recognise that my parents learned equally toxic lessons about money from their parents and my number one priority is to break the cycle by showing my child how to take care of yourself financially from the start. She's also going to be told in no uncertain terms that any medical or social care I need as I get older is not her problem. The biggest thing I want for her is that she leads her own life and is able to take proper financial and emotional care of herself.

CarterBeatsTheDevil · 21/07/2020 12:47

I meant to add that I was under a lot of pressure to take a high-paying job because it was obvious to me from an early age that my parents would need me to support them. There are any number of less well-paid, less stressful, more creative jobs that I could have done and enjoyed but I never saw that as a viable option. Again: that won't be my child.

BetterCare · 21/07/2020 12:49

Thank you so much for the posts already. I am sorry I will not get time to reply to all of you but so many interesting points.

I still find it sad that we grow up thinking that you can't do what you love and earn well. Is that real life or are they beliefs we are taught from our parent's and those around based on their experiences and beliefs?

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BetterCare · 21/07/2020 12:51

@CarterBeatsTheDevil That's incredible. Good for you for taking it on and for breaking the cycle.

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CarterBeatsTheDevil · 21/07/2020 12:56

I still find it sad that we grow up thinking that you can't do what you love and earn well.

This is really sad. I know lots of people in my line of work who absolutely love what they do, but what they all have in common is relatively stress-free backgrounds. I'm not saying nothing bad ever happens to them, but they're not financially responsible for anyone apart from the family that they've chosen, and they didn't start out in huge debt. I actually enjoy a lot of my job but I am constantly worried that I'll mess things up - quite irrationally, as generally speaking (touch wood) I don't. The chain of reasoning is "what if I cock this up - I might not be able to get any more work - if I can't get anymore work I won't earn any money - if I don't earn any money then I can't support myself AND people dependent on me will be in trouble".

I accept that lots of people have that sort of anxiety after they have kids but I've had it all of my working life (and actually before that since a lot of what I earned in part-time jobs went to buy me stuff that other people's parents could afford to buy for them). The noise from all that worrying made it really hard for me to just enjoy doing my job because the consequences of messing up seemed so extreme.

My parents, by the way, would say "oh yes, you've always been anxious". Yes, and... why is that again? Grin

Lyricallie · 21/07/2020 13:02

I definitely agree with someone who said about not knowing the different types of jobs out there. In my school you were either aiming for a lawyer or a doctor if you were bright. I didn't do very well in maths and excelled in English so lawyer it was. It took me to the end of my law degree to decide that wasn't for me and went a very strange route to where I am now. This was simply because I didn't know what else was out there.

Also in regards to doing what you love v money to do fun things. I'm definitely in the money to do fun things camp. Any job can become boring and there is peaks and troughs however I earn a good amount and my fiance does too. This means we have money to spend on nice holidays (when we can travel again) and can save up for things we want such as a house. My SiL on the other hand refuses to do any work unless it's her "dream job" and is under the impression that nobody works in jobs they don't enjoy. She's 27 and is very well educated so it baffles me. Also PiL pay for it all and then complain to us that she won't get a job and she's bored. We've stopped listening now as our advice is never taken.

TwelveLeggedWalk · 21/07/2020 13:13

I wish I had known more about corporate jobs and how to earn serious money. DH and I both have a ridiculous amount of education and employable skills, both work very very long hours and often take on a lot of responsibility, but just because of the industries we work in our earning power is limited .I often wish I'd explored something like corporate comms, which would fit very well with my skillset but for an equivalent experience to what I'm on now would be much better paid.

DH and I also come from families that were terrified of debt. We're very secure but a lot of our friends have buy to lets or similar (often a first home that they didn't get round to selling etc) that have both rocketed in value and provide a nice extra income. I think we have been far to risk adverse because we didn't understand the financial risk sufficiently.

venusandmars · 21/07/2020 13:16

I think you can't always do what you love, but it's really important not to be stuck in a job / situation that you hate.

My examples came from my parents where my Dad left teaching after 4 years when he couldn't stand the thought of facing year after year of the same syllabus for the next 40 years... He took a job that was much more sociable and varied, even though some of his friends looked down on him for leaving teaching. My Mum went back to work as a nurse (at a time when most Mums didn't work) because being at home with 2 small children left her feel frustrated, unfulfilled and was making her ill.

Despite their examples, when I had the opportunity to go to university, I turned it down, because I couldn't imagine a world in which I wouldn't just get married and have kids and I though that Uni would be a waste of time. I went to work, saved hard for a house, got married, had kids, then I went to university, and then did a Masters.

I studied and worked part time in a job I liked but where I was never going to go anywhere. I moved into a different sector and thrived, leaping up the salary scale in a way that was beyond my imagination. Right place, right time, right kind of family and domestic support to make it possible. For the last 15 years I've been self employed - doing work I love with people I like.

My dcs: - one is a grafter and saver, the other a free spirit. They have both ended up in good places (in their 30s), the right places for each of them for the moment. One worked, saved, had a house and family and is now going to university to do something she would never have done as an 18 year old. The other followed a hedonistic life, got an international degree, travelled extensively, lives abroad.

Summary: be flexible, open to change when possibilities arise. Don't get stuck in a place / career that's not working for you, and never live beyond your means. Ignore what other people value - maybe you don't need your hair coloured every 6 weeks, maybe you don't need the latest gadget or item of household furniture, maybe you don't need to spend £££ on a night out. Find your own values.

BetterCare · 21/07/2020 13:17

@CarterBeatsTheDevil I get where you are coming from. It was part of my upbringing that if you were offered a job you took it, you did what you were told and you didn't rock the boat and I really struggle with that.

I realised that I am not very good at being told what to do, I hated dragging myself into an office and doing things I guess I didn't see any value to.

That is why in the end I started my own business.

I think the beliefs we grow up with, limiting and positive impact in every second of our day and we are so used to them we don't even realise what is going on.

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BetterCare · 21/07/2020 13:22

@Lyricallie I think you may have hit the nail on the head. I do come from the camp of truly believing that you should be able to do what you love.

However, in order to get that we also have to understand that it doesn't get handed to you on a plate and with every job or business, you have to work incredibly hard at it to achieve the success you want.

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venusandmars · 21/07/2020 13:22

Incidentally when I had the compulsory interview with the school career advisor (who tried to persuade me to be a nurse or an air-hostess), I told her I wanted to be a careers advisor - because they only had to tell other people about working, and never had to actually work themselves Grin Grin

She wasn't impressed!

corythatwas · 21/07/2020 13:24

Don't regret my career choice and very happy my parents taught me to be frugal and make the most of the money I had. But what I do wish they'd taught me was "However good you are at managing on little, DO NOT UNDERSELL YOURSELF. The fact that you love your work doesn't make it worth less to your employer. VALUE WHAT YOU DO AND DRIVE A HARD BARGAIN!"

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