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Urgent DH refused Annual Leave for next 2 weeks.

269 replies

booboo57 · 21/07/2020 08:11

Works starts on house on Monday. Two weeks leave requested over a month ago. Just got message that next week is full so cant have it off. Make a fuss or just call in sick?
He a trainer but since Covid he's been working nights which he hates. He was in tears with the stress of it all. Dont know what to advise.

OP posts:

Di11y · 21/07/2020 08:13

Is the issue he won't be able to sleep with the work going on? Was the leave never approved or approved then retracted?

Fletchings · 21/07/2020 08:14

was the annual leave approved when first requested and cancelled or never approved?

user1471517900 · 21/07/2020 08:14

Surely find out who else has it off and see if he put his request in before them.

GinDaddyRedux · 21/07/2020 08:14

What does "next week is full" mean - that someone has booked in training for that week?

Many businesses since COVID-19 are probably desperate to book in people if demand is there.

Your DH's boss should have properly warned him that leave could be rescinded. I'm not an HR professional (or do they call themselves business partners these days?) so I can't advise as to whether leave once booked, can be rescinded without comment or asking.

pandafunfactory · 21/07/2020 08:14

Well if it's full he can't have it. A month isn't much notice. I think you need to find somewhere else for him to sleep.

Dreamtopia · 21/07/2020 08:15

I think it’ll look highly suspicious if he calls in sick after having leave denied. Also you need a sick note from the GP for sickness over a week. All you can do is try asking again I guess but if they’re understaffed then that’s not going to change.

ShandlersWig · 21/07/2020 08:15

But it's the school summer holidays? The next 6 weeks was probably booked up months ago.

Zilla1 · 21/07/2020 08:16

I'm sorry, OP. Depending on where you live, I'd be careful with the 'call in sick', unless he went to a GP and got a sick note for stress and was willing to live with the consequences. It will be obvious otherwise that the sick leave is leave. Depending on your companies policies, he might not have a right to take leave when he wants and even if the leave was agreed, many companies have the right to revoke if operationally necessary. It will probably depend on the culture of the company and how indispensable and whether this firm and sector are making redundancies.

If next week is busy, could he have the week after off and muddle through?

Good luck.

RHOBHfan · 21/07/2020 08:17

What’s the problem? (I don’t mean I don’t think there is one. It’s just difficult to advise when it’s not obvious where the particular challenge is)

No one to oversee workmen (where are you)?
Won’t be able to sleep? Cheap B&B.

What is the particular issue that needs to be addressed?

Merrymumoftwo · 21/07/2020 08:17

As above was the leave approved initially? Not really enough information to advise properly. Would agree it would look very suspicious going sick I’d leave was declined.

Tappering · 21/07/2020 08:17

Was the leave already authorised? If so then they have to give twice the amount of notice to cancel it - so if he had two weeks approved, they would need to give four weeks' notice of cancellation.

However if the leave was not approved then there is nothing he can do.

RHOBHfan · 21/07/2020 08:18

Oh... and just because leave is requested, doesn’t mean it’s approved?

Don’t call in sick. It’ll be very obvious.

GinDaddyRedux · 21/07/2020 08:18

@pandafunfactory

Well if it's full he can't have it. A month isn't much notice. I think you need to find somewhere else for him to sleep.

A month isn't much notice?!!

Seriously?

What is an acceptable notice period for booking leave where you work, @pandafunfactory ?

dontdisturbmenow · 21/07/2020 08:22

So it wasn't approved? Then it shouldn't come as a big shock. Did he request two weeks in a row? Maybe that's the issue.

It's tough but best to discuss and agree with boss when best to take holidays before making a request although this can be taken back with the equivalent length of agreed holiday time notice.

AliceinBunnyland · 21/07/2020 08:22

If the AL was approved and you booked works on that basis I would tell the boss that he can't work.

If it was never approved then nothing you can do.

Fletchings · 21/07/2020 08:23

if the annual leave was approved when requested a month ago, then by law the employer should have given your DH notice of the cancellation. The notice is the same length as the AL, e.g. for a 2 week holiday, they should have given 2 weeks notice. In that case, the notice came too late and DH could argue his case. However, if the AL never was approved, then there is nothing DH can do and you should have followed the AL approval up to make sure it is fine.

oblada · 21/07/2020 08:23

If the leave wasn't approved (doesn't look like it was) I can't see why you would 'kick up a fuss'. You should have requested the leave sooner and booked the work in only once you knew it had been granted. Calling in sick (even with a 'sick note') could lead to disciplinary proceedings and even dismissal if he has been employed there under 2yrs.

Lougle · 21/07/2020 08:25

"The general notice period for taking leave is at least twice as long as the amount of leave a worker wants to take (for example 2 days’ notice for 1 day’s leave), unless the contract says something different.

An employer can refuse a leave request or cancel leave but they must give as much notice as the amount of leave requested (and this must be before the first day of leave). For example, this could be 2 weeks and 1 day’s notice if the worker asked for 2 weeks’ leave."

Unless his contract says different, this Gov.uk advice suggests that he should have been told 2 weeks ago that it isn't acceptable. If they haven't done that, I'd argue that he's given sufficient notice of his intention to take leave and they are too late to rescind it.

Enko · 21/07/2020 08:25

@GinDaddyRedux

I would agree that a month for an august holidays not much notice. If others have booked first then they are full with the holiday. When I worked as a retail manager to get holiday in July/august you would have needed 3-4months notice. Holiday in February a couple of days notice. ITs all about demand

Op can you find somewhere else for your partner to sleep? Can he have the week that is not full?

LakieLady · 21/07/2020 08:26

Have a chat with the builders. They may have other customers clamouring for work to be done asap and may be willing to shift things around.

And if you're able to rebook a time for the work to be done, don't confirm it until his leave is agreed!

FixTheBone · 21/07/2020 08:26

In every job I've ever worked, the notice period for leave is either 6 or 8 weeks, plus it has to be approved after checking all necessary duties have been covered or rearranged and that there are sufficient people around to cover emergencies, so, I'd agree 4 weeks isn't very much notice....

BernadetteRostankowskiWolowitz · 21/07/2020 08:28

Of course he shouldn't call in sick.

Why does he need to be at home?

RednaxelasLunch · 21/07/2020 08:28

Is he working from home and the noise will disrupt his ability to work?

What's the problem

TinySleepThief · 21/07/2020 08:28

I think the key part missing is whether the leave was approved or not?

If it wasn't approved then I'm not surprised it's been declined as for many places it will be the school holidays so these weeks will have been booked off months ago.

If it was approved then as others have said they needed to give more notice of it being cancelled. So yes he would have the right to take it further.

Lweji · 21/07/2020 08:29

Can't he swap to days with a colleague as a favour?

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