To be very angry the government is lying to us.

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Followers of Professor Sikora ( head of Rutherford Cancer Centres) were shocked when he revealed last night that the government has been lying to us. They have been hugely inflating numbers of people dying from COVID. They have been trawling the database of dead people and anyone who dies and has had a Covid test is being recorded as dying with Covid. This is because they seriously over estimated how dangerous the virus was at the beginning. Cancer patient have been denied treatment, children missing education and millions unemployed because the modeling was wrong and they’ve doubled down.
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I have seen this but why would they over inflate the numbers? I don't buy those reasons in that post

Huh? Why would the government want to have one of the worst death rates in the world?! Several countries have had extreme responses and low death rates, and this has been viewed as a positive thing on the assumption that it was the extreme responses that kept the death rates low. This makes no sense.

But if they died and tested positive for Covid then they did die with Covid. Exactly as claimed.

The government are useless and lie about all sorts. But I don’t think there’s been a conspiracy to exaggerate the death rate. What would the government have to gain from that?

I think the government have lied about loads of things but I wasnt expecting that to be one of them. I'm not convinced about it.

I expect it's to do with how information is recorded. Yes, some people will have died having Covid who would have otherwise died. But no nhs system allow the retrieval of data on a 'otherwise' basis.

That measure doesn’t change the ONS excess deaths stats.

I have read this theory too. However I'm not certain that Professor Sikora is a reliable source of information. He apparently is not a professor and the hospital he claims to be affiliated with distance themselves from him. I'll see if I can find a link.

That is extraordinary. Thank you for posting.

A few of the things you might need to know about him :

He hates theNHS. Really, really hates it. Calls it 'the last bastion of communism'.

He used to work for theWorld Health Organisation. He hates theWHO.He claimed he resigned, but smarter and more reliable sources say he was fired over some of his more, er, radical ideas, after a dispute with theUnited Nations(He hates them, too.Can you see a pattern emerging here?)

He is an Oncology Advisor. Not toHealth ServicesorNHS Trusts, who do not accept his more extreme thinking, but to pharmaceutical companiesCyclacelandAstraZeneca, who'll take anyone they can get.

He appeared inAmerican adverts for the Republican Party, attackingPresident Obama's Health Plan- with data that was later proven to be false. He is part of theUS Health Lobbythat aims to buy as many parts of the NHS as it can.

He has claimed for 22 years to beProfessor of OncologyatImperial College. He even introduced himself to aCommons Health Select Committeewith that title. He is not - and never was.This led Imperial to seek legal advice to stop Sikora from making such claims.

"I can confirm that Karol Sikora is not on the staff at Imperial and does not hold the title of honorary professor of oncology. This individual has been warned before by the college for making claims that he is employed by us, or associated with us. His views are very certainly not the views of the college."

- Prof Sir Roy Anderson, Imperial College London,

He loves his grand titles :

Dean of the School of Medicine at Buckingham- nothing to do with the established medical training system. it a privately funded school of medicine and alternative therapies.

Foundation Fellow ofThe Foundation for Integrated Health- a lobby group.

Chair of theFaculty of Integrated Medicine, which is unaffiliated with any university and is not a 'faculty' - it is another grandly-titled lobby group.

Member of theCollege of Medicine- another lobby group criticised extensively in theBritish Medical Journalfor its promotion of unproven alternative medicines.

He was one of three doctors that enabledLockerbiebomberAbdelbaset al-Megrahito be released, afterobtaining a diagnosis of imminent terminal cancer. The services werepaid for by theLibyan Government. Sikora gave him three months to live ... whereupon al-Megrahi recovered in miraculous fashion,living on for several years.

Hecalled forcancer drugs to be rationed for older patients, not in such a way as to open a discussion about the possibility of it, but as budgetary factor.

Along the way in his career, Sikora knowinglygave a lethal injection to a 14 year old patient, admitted doing so, but theGeneral Medical Councilcouldn't pursue the matter as it was over 5 years old by then and 'historical'

He defended several fellow medical professionals charged with items ranging fromincompetencetoprofessional misconducttomurder- who were either found guilty (Dr Jane Barton), or in one case, exonerated but confessed later to being guilty (Dr Howard Martin). Several deaths were involved, at least 15.

In his determination to destroy the NHS for his Pharma and Lobbyist employers, perhaps now, you understand why the Right Wing love him.

www.farrightwatch.net/2020/06/the-right-wings-favourite-crazy.html?m=1

Well if this chap say is it is totally true and fact. I expect there will be public enquiries once this is over and all evidence will be considered, one tweet in the meantime is not unequivocal evidence.

Of course the government is lying. That's what governments do. But Karol Sikora's record for honesty isn't much better than Alexander Boris de Pfeffel Johnson's (see any number of past issues of Private Eye). I wouldn't give any credence to conspiracy theories being touted by Prof Sikora.

I think the concern is the PHE take each death, then look back to see if the person had tested positive for covid at some point.

So, if a person tested positive in April, recovered, and then died of cancer in July, they still count as covid for the purposes of the data we are seeing.

This wasn't really an issue earlier, but now the PHE deaths seem to inflate the daily issued figures, and this may be why. I was onky saying to DH two days ago, that it was weird that the PHE deaths were so high, compared to hospital deaths, when the care home crisis was generally calming down, and this may be why.

I've worked in as a probate lawyer throughout this - I've had a couple of clear covid deaths, lots of people who were already very ill, then got covid on top (in hospital or a care home). A couple who had covid stated as cause of death, but the family are adamant it was something else.

And many many many dementia deaths.

Bollocks.

And many many many dementia deaths.

These figures are also inaccurate. People don't die of dementia: they die with dementia. My dad died last week. He died from kidney failure but the cause of death was recorded as Alzheimer's dementia.

The whole people dying with covid and dying of covid has always been an issue, and if you spend any time working with mortality data it is actually very difficult to actually definitively know a cause of death.

That's why you look at the increase in excess deaths compared with previous years, if it's not covid causing these, does he present an alternative? (Don't say 5G)

What a load of rubbish. Wouldn’t believe anything that man says....

I genuinely thought Alzheimer’s was eventually fatal?

Well, if Sikora said it, then it must be true!!!

I'd say it's the reverse-more people have died than reported on government website but I'll go by ONS statistics and compare them from previous years.

‘Professor’ Sikora is a twat. I expect he puts pineapple on his pizza too.

Oh the excess deaths will be due to nhs shutting down of course 😳

If you want to prove something enough you usually can make something up to support it.

What a load of fantasist tosh.

It is covid causing it - believe me, work has been hell last last few months and I am on my knees.

Most of my cases were either patients who were already sick, got covid, and it was too much. Many of them would otherwise still be here.

Dementia - lack of contact with family and friends and less hands on with care staff seemed to have an impact.

It is just the latest figures I don't understand. Where are PHE finding the deaths that they report, if they are not in hospital?

How can it be lying if the methodology is published along side the figures on gov.uk ? You can say members of the Government have lied about many things - Matt Hancock revising the lockdown date to a week earlier being one of the latest lying events. What you can't do is blame the ONS /PHE for recording the numbers for the thing they have clearly defined as being a measurement of a particular thing that they have set out. How those numbers are interpreted is up to the reader.

There are so many ways of defining all these statistics. Tbh I don't think it matters which is chosen, to a certain extent. What is important is that the metric stays consistent so we can gain an understanding of whether deaths are increasing, decreasing, or flatlining.

There isn't time to debate for each and every death whether someone died of covid if they had cancer, then got covid, then their cancer came back stronger, maybe due to weakened eg lungs from covid.

The excess deaths is a truly terrifying figure, and that clearly includes some where the person eg didn't go to hospital because of worries about covid and died of something unrelated.

Whichever metric is used, we have had a very high death rate, one of the worst in the world, especially given our population size

It is just the latest figures I don't understand. Where are PHE finding the deaths that they report, if they are not in hospital?

Care homes and community??? Quite easy to get swabbing for care home residents and people at home now.