To be very angry the government is lying to us.

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Followers of Professor Sikora ( head of Rutherford Cancer Centres) were shocked when he revealed last night that the government has been lying to us. They have been hugely inflating numbers of people dying from COVID. They have been trawling the database of dead people and anyone who dies and has had a Covid test is being recorded as dying with Covid. This is because they seriously over estimated how dangerous the virus was at the beginning. Cancer patient have been denied treatment, children missing education and millions unemployed because the modeling was wrong and they’ve doubled down.
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@Pobblebonk

I'm not sure I'd believe Sikora if he told me the world was round. If anything, my strong suspicion is that the government is underestimating the number of deaths and has done so consistently from the start.

This nails it for me. Sikora lies like most people breathe. Historically he has done some hideous things and even if you disregard the long, long list of awful actions mentioned earlier, can you honestly believe he's coming at this from an unbiased position?

Of course our Government lie to us. If you watch PMQ's you'll see Boris lie every single time he opens his vacuous trap to speak - only yesterday Hancock lied about the date we entered into lockdown. I'm more surprised at anyone being surprised by the fact our Government are liars, even my 9 year old knows this.

Sikora is dodgy as hell. Thanks for the dose of reality, @weepingwillow22. There is no benefit whatsoever to the government inflating these figures, it doesn’t exactly make them look good.

We had very few deaths locally and no-one at our hospital died under the age of 65

65 is not particularly elderly though? A healthy 65 year old might be expected to live for another 10, 15, or 20 years....

These are not just Sikora's claims though. Imagine saying you dont believe something because he retweeted it. They have been done by a leading statistical expert. Why would they have any reason to lie?

I seen this the other day...whilst im not one for the whole conspiracy theory i did wonder if there is some truth to inflating number of deaths to covid as i have read before that families have been annoyed at their loved ones deaths being registered as covid related when this is not the case. If true the only reason i can come up with is government has instructed deaths to be recorded as covid related as a reason to justify lockdown and the state of the economy

Omg please don’t tell me you believe what Sikora says. I read he’s actually trying to win two multi million pound Gov contracts. His whole page (not run by him but more likely a team) is to down play Covid risks get everyone out and about again. Critical thinking required. If everyone read stuff on line with these questions at forefront of their minds we’d all be better informed.

How does he know what he claims to know
What is he trying to “sell” you and why?

Well I believe they lie after seeing this

Why would you put covid if they didn't even test people?

They're inflating the figures. Why though?? Makes me wonder what else they are inflating, do 1 in 2 really get cancer??
Do whatever % of people get stroke?

Who knows they're just making stuff up now

It is actually medical professionals not the government.

Even if it is subconscious, you have a being incentive to highlight the area where you are working.

The shame is people with cancer etc. are now being neglected because the answer to every request is "yes, but Covid"

There's a difference of dying WITH covid and dying OF covid. The majority of so-called covid deaths actually shouldn't have been classed as such as covid wasn't the CAUSE of death, but that's what gets put on the death certificate. I work in the healthcare sector and have witnessed this first hand. Yes, covid is a real thing, and yes, we should wear masks and social distance to protect each other, but I agree that the apparent death toll is much higher than it is in reality. I don't believe the government is deliberately lying to everybody as such, but I believe that people have panicked at the start of this pandemic.

Op they aren’t lying they even did a press conference on this for goodness sake, and explained if Covid was listed on the death certificate even as primary cause they would record it, and that there was an overlap of people who would have died anyway v those who died because of Covid rather than with it.

It’s been public knowledge since the start, talked about and explained on the press conferences and even discussed on here.

Patrick valance explained they wouldn’t be able to correlate the overlap till further into it, but for transparency they were counting all deaths whether it was due to Covid or with Covid.

I’ve no idea how anyone could miss that.

If you don't like Sikora, have a scroll through Carl Henegan's tweets. He's Sikora's evidential source, and he's from Oxford's Centre for Evidence Based Medicine. His material is very illuminating.

The only number I look at is from the Office for National Statistics, showing excess deaths compared with this time last year. That was over 60,000 the last time I checked, some weeks ago.

I agree the gov and particularly BJ are experienced liars, BUT what do the conspiracy theorists think they have to gain from lying about over inflating deaths?
And it's not just the uk economy that's tanked - there have been lockdowns all over the globe which will have destroyed the economy in many different countries.
I'm not seeing what the overall masterplan or goal is to lockdown millions of citizens worldwide for allegedly tenuous reasons and bring on a depression...? Who's winning out of this?

I meant to tag Hermano in my post, sorry.

heck it was on twitter so it must be true tbh the guy sounds a complete wanker, and a total fantastist, i guess he's let out in the community for the practice

Also whatever anyone thinks of Sikora, this is work done by two Oxford professors. One of whom has been critical of the government on tv a lot. They are allowed to look at stats and say what they believe if they are respected academics. They are entitled to come to their own conclusions.

... I think there is a point. There are around 1200 recorded corona deths in our area to a population of 750k. (We aren't that far from a major city and edge of comuter county) Mostly the elderly, some of them would have died anyway due to old age.
And think about the empty Nightingale hospitals.

There must be an other way to deal with this virus.

I disagree with the way things have been handled. As regards to economy ruined, businesses closed, people denied treatment for serious illnesses, people denied dental treatment. It is madness

Someone's grandmother died in a care home, COVID was stated as the cause of death yet she'd not been tested. How does that work?

@thinkingabout1t..think your way is probably be most acurate...you cant argue with those statistics

The government are not good at lying. Each lie is obvious and they just hope to brazen them out.

However I'd File this particular theory under bullshit conspiracy theory.

There possibly is some probelms with the figures now if that report is to be believed - and it is not clear, but this in no way makes any difference to the overal deaths and does not affect the excess deaths figures at all. Do people really not believe the excess death figure given by the ONS - a well respected agency. What do people think happened to the 65,000 extra people who died over this period. Yes I think the government is lying and the death figure is way over 45,000.

@weepingwillow

Thanks. That was the info I was looking for.

@ExclamationPerfume

I know two people who have died. One had lung cancer and one had a heart attack. Both their deaths were recorded as dying with Covid19. I absolutely believe the government is inflating the figures. The relatives argued over the death certificate but they were told it must go down as Covid19.

I worked in itu during the covid peak. They haven’t inflated any figures. People died later on of covid related problems when testing negative. It was hard to know if it was covid related or not but we now know it was as we know the long term problems from it. It’s a new virus. We learnt as we went along in the early stages.

@ExclamationPerfume did the 2 people you know have covid? As unfortunately their deaths may well have been caused by covid not they other things. They may be co-morbidities but not the root cause.

This is an anomaly that I couldn't clarify at the beginning of the pandemic.

I wanted to establish the difference between dying WITH Covid and dying FROM Covid.

I kept sending this as a question from the public to be answered but it was never selected...
Lots of the people who died were sadly going to die anyway...