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..to consider shopping my friend for her benefit fraud?!

304 replies

NadiaBaggyTwat · 28/09/2007 22:01

My friend and I both work in local government. We are quite close and I have known her for years but she is incredibly bad with money and never makes any attempt to get herself back on track. Usually her mother bails her out and she just goes on spending. She is a good hearted person, but this is the one aspect of her that I find really hard to stand by and watch.

Close to Christmas, a group of us, including said friend and our DHs are going to France for the weekend. This was arranged months ago. It's costing £200 per couple and my DH and I are having a really really hard time financially at the moment (not from overspending but problems with DH's business) so we weren't going to go but friend owes me £150 from something I paid for on my card (because it was a surprise from her to her DP and which she's - obviously - never paid me back for ) and to my suprise she said "well you can come because remember, I owe you £150..."

So we agreed to go. Anyway the time came for this money to be paid and I gave her the £50 as agreed (for the rest of the £200 for her to pass on to another friend who was paying all the money in) and she said she needed at least £100.. she couldn't afford to pay our money (that she owes!) because she hadn't paid her mortgage for months. I gave it to her (the trip has to be paid for!) but really resented it as I only agreed to go because I knew we wouldn't have to find much of the money!

Meanwhile, at work she is constantly talking to everyone about her posh meals out with DP, her tanning/nails/waxing appointments. And next thing, she's whining to me about the terrible state of her finances. And she does really spend money like this.. she isn't just saying it to impress!

Worse still, despite is both working for a government agency she is actually defrauding them! For well over a year now, since she has been living with her new partner, she has been claiming as a single person (with children). This amounts to over £100 a week that she isn't entitled to!!

I have told her outright time and again she needs to stop spending money like water and on luxuries she can't afford and START declaring that she has a partner living with her and the children, but nothing changes and she says she just can't afford to declare that he lives there. (They even bought a HUGE posh new house on this basis!)

I am so upset about the whole money thing and having to listen to her day in and day out talking about what she's bought (she shops compulsively as well in v.expensive clothes shops) all the while owing me money I lent her in good faith to help her out (albeit for another extravagance.. a birthday present she couldn't afford to buy her DP)... that... (and this is really bad .. I want to report her.

But if I did she may even lose her job, bearing in mind where we work.. Not to mention her house. And I would probably feel terrible forever.

I am an extreme regular with a (very inappropriate; sorry!) name change to protect various identities.

What would others do? Please?

OP posts:
Caroline1852 · 28/09/2007 23:30

can'tsleep - Not meaning to pick a fight. Sorry. I am a very law abiding person but I also realise I am fortunate. I recognise that others are less fortunate.

PeachesMcLean · 28/09/2007 23:37

Well, people who know me wouldn't suggest I'm a Thatcherite In any sense of the word.
But I'd like to pull this back to basics, be a conviction poster, take the third way, instill some family values...

In the OP's situation I'd try and deal with the situation as a friend before involving the legal system.

Caroline1852 · 28/09/2007 23:40

peaches - quite. "I am going shopping with my friend" will forever sound dangerous to me after tonight.

edam · 29/09/2007 00:03

I'm well aware of the difference between tax evasion and tax avoidance. My point is the non-dom loophole makes a mockery of the law. It is so absurd, so unjustifiable, it makes everything else a mere bagatelle in comparison.

It's sick that the non-dom thing is legal. That's the whole problem! If they were breaking the law, then at least Ms Benefit Cheat and Mr Russian Billionaire would be an an almost equal footing, in terms of criminality, at least. Although I doubt the sort of people who have the skill to make a quick killing from instant capitalism get yer privatised state assets here are completely upright citizens who never so much as look at a regulation the wrong way, tbh.

alicet · 29/09/2007 04:53

I think this is a really tricky one. I agree with the posters who say that its her own fault not yours if you shop her and she has to face the consequences. Not YOUR fault - she is the one committing benefit fraud NOT you. Really hate the sort of people who blame others for their own choices and think the world owes her a favour - don't even get me started!!

However I'm not sure I could shop her myself as I wouldn't want it on my concience. Not if the consequences involve her losing her job and home and leaving her dc without a mum. NOT your fault that these are the consequences but you would sure as hell feel like it was.

I would demand that she repays the money owed within a reasonable time period - say 2-4 weeks. If she says she can't afford it I would point out very bluntly that while she can afford luxuries like beauty treatments and meals out she CAN afford to pay you back simply by cutting down on this for this time. And I wouldn't lend her money again whatever the circumstances.

The benefit issue is another one. I would tell her again that what she is doing is illegal and that she WILL get found out eventually if she doesn't stop. Tell her about the matching thingy (sorry - baby brain and insomnia!) that other posters have mentioned and the fact that someone may shop her. If you are seriously considering doing that and she is a true friend then I think its only fair that you tell her. And tell her what the consequences might be. I would also advise her to speak to citizen's advice beareau about her spending. Or if you can be arsed sit down with her and make a budget that she can stick to.

Sorry about long post. I guess what I'm saying is shop her if you feel you need to - the consequences are her fault not yours. But make sure you can live with yourself first.

alicet · 29/09/2007 04:54

Oh and when I said I would demand she repays the money owed I meant to money owed to you not the government!!!

kd73 · 29/09/2007 06:35

Assuming you are good friends, if your friend was caught and your bosses discovered the deception.... would it threaten your work position?

TheBlonde · 29/09/2007 07:51

NBT - she is not a good friend to you, she is taking you for a ride
Tell her she must repay you

What happens if someone else shops her and work accuse you of knowing and doing nothing? (could this happen?)

Susianna · 29/09/2007 08:00

I love the namechange!!!

I would ask for my money back too. That's getting in the way of a friendship.

You might feel less keen to shop her after that...but could you get into trouble knowing about it and not shopping her?

I mean that is one way, to say, look I'm going to be in trouble here, you need to fess up,

or better still, say, 'so and so asked me the other day about your claim as he has noticed the discrepancy, (keep it anonymous)
and I didn't spill but I think he will so get a move on and disclose your living arrangements!'

warthog · 29/09/2007 09:16

address the main issue - you want your money back and you don't want to hear her whining on about her money problems.

tell it to her straight and tell her it's ruining the friendship.

basically tell her what you've told us!

have the balls to say it to her face, don't go behind her back and shop her unless you tell her that you're going to do it.

warthog · 29/09/2007 09:18

also, don't make up stories to get your point across - stay honourable. have the guts to say it like you see it.

codswallop · 29/09/2007 09:18

we hae drefauders in court a lot
they can go to jail

talulasmum · 29/09/2007 11:18

nbt; i think the key word in your op was FRIEND. never ever "grass" on a FRIEND.
it will leave a mark on your soul.

TheBlonde · 29/09/2007 11:27

talulasmum - does this only apply for fraud or other crimes too??

iliketosleep · 29/09/2007 11:31

what benefits is she actually claiming as when i was a single mother i didnt get over 100 pounds for me and i wasnt working, i did however get over 100 pounds in child tax credits which i still get now im not a single parent. I think you should find out what it is before you do anything as there is a big difference and you could get yourself into a whole load of shit.

haychee · 29/09/2007 12:29

No never grass on a FRIEND, regardless of the crime - unless stealing directly from you or involved in something truly awful, like a murder. In which case they wouldnt be worthy of being a friend.

MaryBleedinPoppins · 29/09/2007 13:01

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talulasmum · 29/09/2007 13:09

theblonde; my advice applies to the "crime" we are discussing. if my friend killed her dh/dp or something, i wouldnt help her bury him under the patio and tell her never to buy a dog, id advise her to give herself up ( she'd get caught anyway)

Lauriefairycake · 29/09/2007 13:17

Have only read the OP.

You need to demand she pays you back - that's what it seems you want 'underneath' - all this talk of 'shopping' seems like avoidance of the fact that she owes you money, you're skint, you (quite rightly) want it back.

And also you sound 'jealous' (I would be too - so not judging) that she's screwing the system and getting away with spending a load of unnecessary money on waxing and tanning.

She's crap with money and she's not listening to you - that must really bug you when you're only trying to help her.

Be aware that if you shop her you are less likely to get your money back and more likely to get this woman whining constantly about how skint she is and how unfair life is.

She'll get caught eventually - make sure you get your cash back before she does

LazyLinePainterJane · 29/09/2007 13:25

I'm not sure what I would do. Something doesn't sit well with the thought of reporting her, but it's not as if she is wrongly claiming benefits to feed her children is it? She's doing it to buy designer clothes and have facials....

furryfiona · 29/09/2007 15:27

im just butting in but you should inform on her and to hell with the thieving cow as people like her IE. benefit scammers are the main reason that taxes of hard working people are so bloody high so to hell with the thief shop her

piggysgal · 29/09/2007 15:40

shop her.

NorthernLurker · 29/09/2007 15:42

Don't involve yourself further in her misery by reporting her - but point out to her that if she continues down this track someone else will. Then give her the number for your local citizens advice bureau.

JoanWilder · 29/09/2007 15:44

shop the fool. Do it! but only if you can aommiserate with her so she'll never guess it was you...

law3 · 29/09/2007 15:54

thats low!!!