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..to consider shopping my friend for her benefit fraud?!

304 replies

NadiaBaggyTwat · 28/09/2007 22:01

My friend and I both work in local government. We are quite close and I have known her for years but she is incredibly bad with money and never makes any attempt to get herself back on track. Usually her mother bails her out and she just goes on spending. She is a good hearted person, but this is the one aspect of her that I find really hard to stand by and watch.

Close to Christmas, a group of us, including said friend and our DHs are going to France for the weekend. This was arranged months ago. It's costing £200 per couple and my DH and I are having a really really hard time financially at the moment (not from overspending but problems with DH's business) so we weren't going to go but friend owes me £150 from something I paid for on my card (because it was a surprise from her to her DP and which she's - obviously - never paid me back for ) and to my suprise she said "well you can come because remember, I owe you £150..."

So we agreed to go. Anyway the time came for this money to be paid and I gave her the £50 as agreed (for the rest of the £200 for her to pass on to another friend who was paying all the money in) and she said she needed at least £100.. she couldn't afford to pay our money (that she owes!) because she hadn't paid her mortgage for months. I gave it to her (the trip has to be paid for!) but really resented it as I only agreed to go because I knew we wouldn't have to find much of the money!

Meanwhile, at work she is constantly talking to everyone about her posh meals out with DP, her tanning/nails/waxing appointments. And next thing, she's whining to me about the terrible state of her finances. And she does really spend money like this.. she isn't just saying it to impress!

Worse still, despite is both working for a government agency she is actually defrauding them! For well over a year now, since she has been living with her new partner, she has been claiming as a single person (with children). This amounts to over £100 a week that she isn't entitled to!!

I have told her outright time and again she needs to stop spending money like water and on luxuries she can't afford and START declaring that she has a partner living with her and the children, but nothing changes and she says she just can't afford to declare that he lives there. (They even bought a HUGE posh new house on this basis!)

I am so upset about the whole money thing and having to listen to her day in and day out talking about what she's bought (she shops compulsively as well in v.expensive clothes shops) all the while owing me money I lent her in good faith to help her out (albeit for another extravagance.. a birthday present she couldn't afford to buy her DP)... that... (and this is really bad .. I want to report her.

But if I did she may even lose her job, bearing in mind where we work.. Not to mention her house. And I would probably feel terrible forever.

I am an extreme regular with a (very inappropriate; sorry!) name change to protect various identities.

What would others do? Please?

OP posts:
LucyLasticBand · 28/09/2007 23:01

how do you know for sure she hasnt stopped claiming?

mamazon · 28/09/2007 23:01

not putting your seat belt on is a danger to you alone.

by frauldulantly claiming a benefit you are part of a government over spend of millions.

how many hospital beds or policemen would that money be better used on.

this woman uses her fraudulantly ganied income on manicures and clothes. that makes me pretty farking mad

paolosgirl · 28/09/2007 23:02

Tax evasion = illegal. Tax avoidance = legal. Keep it in perspective - it's not just the fat cats that do this; anyone who has an accountant will be avoiding as much tax as they legally can.

LucyLasticBand · 28/09/2007 23:02

and no, how could you live with yourself if you shopped her.
try pretty damm hard to get your money back though.

law3 · 28/09/2007 23:03

haychee - some were saying you cant pick and choose which laws to break and who to report, so im assuming that anyone breaking the law should be reported, i dont think anyone would report anyone for not wearing a seatbelt.

paolosgirl · 28/09/2007 23:05

As the driver of the car, you'd be breaking the law too if your passenger wasn't wearing a seatbelt.

MaryBleedinPoppins · 28/09/2007 23:05

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Caroline1852 · 28/09/2007 23:07

Haven't you got something in your own life, worth a bit of extra energy?

law3 · 28/09/2007 23:09

mpb - How would she know if her friend had actually stopped claiming

paolosgirl · 28/09/2007 23:10

My, my....the old Daily Mail and the 'get a life jibe'

Yawn.....

PeachesMcLean · 28/09/2007 23:10

Just a thought given comments about thieving from us as individuals. A house burglar has much more impact on me than an individual benefit thief. Just to use an example, the queen costs the individual income tax payer something like 64p a year. Her income is rather higher than a benefit thief (am not suggesting she's stealing!) but am just trying to equate the cost to the individual. If that makes sense.... Again, not condoning but the impact on me of shopping my friend would be far greater than this value.

paolosgirl · 28/09/2007 23:13

So it's the impact on you personally, rather than the act of thieving from society as a whole you're more concerned about?

Caroline1852 · 28/09/2007 23:13

paolosgirl - you say tax evasion and tax avoidance are completely different things. Actually not. Pre-owned Asset Tax was set retroacively.

CantSleepWontSleep · 28/09/2007 23:13

But again it's a volume thing Peaches. There is only 1 queen (and I'm anti-royalist anyway, so you won't get me on that one ), whereas there are many many many fraudsters, so I wouldn't bet on them costing you less than HRH.

paolosgirl · 28/09/2007 23:14

What's your point about POAT?

Caroline1852 · 28/09/2007 23:16

That people embarked on avoidance schemes and ended up owing the taxman money. You said, rather authoritatively that avoidance was different.

MaryBleedinPoppins · 28/09/2007 23:17

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paolosgirl · 28/09/2007 23:19

That still doesn't make avoidance and evasion the same thing! Isn't paying a pension tax avoidance?

PeachesMcLean · 28/09/2007 23:19

paolosgirl, of course, I only think of me

No. this is in relation to the OP and her particular situation. I wouldn't shop a good friend as I think the criminal justice system isn't always the best way to deal with a problem. Personally I'd want to know I'd done everything I can as a friend before taking that route.

Sorry for delay - have been talking to DH - thread has probably moved on.

law3 · 28/09/2007 23:20

mbp - rofl, i was behind you all the way until that point, thats exactly what i would do.

Didnt think about the broken nails, split ends, hairy legs, so if she started to look more like me, i would know i had won lol

CantSleepWontSleep · 28/09/2007 23:21

Well Caroline it's been lovely debating with you, but since you appear intent on picking a fight with anyone who'll take the bait, I think I shall retire to bed, where I will sleep happy in the knowledge that I am not defrauding, or condoning the defrauding of the nation.

Good night.

paolosgirl · 28/09/2007 23:24

Wasn't it Mrs Thatcher who said there was no such thing as society, Peaches? Or was she just misunderstood and misquoted?!

I suppose it all depends on how much the OP values the friendship.

law3 · 28/09/2007 23:27

im off to bed, with visions of hairy legs, pasty skin and split ends to chuckle about. good night

pixelchick · 28/09/2007 23:27

Shop her or drop her.

MaryBleedinPoppins · 28/09/2007 23:28

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