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To think that living in a very messy house does impact on children

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HeatingOnInJuly · 14/07/2020 21:11

I was thinking of this based on the "small ways your parents fucked you up" thread so it kind of stems from that

My parent's house was very messy - they would say it was normal family clutter, and that it was cosy and lived in, but I'm not sure I've ever been in a house quite like it since, so I think it must have been unusually messy

Door handles would fall off and were never fixed, ancient carpets would be ripped up and the floor would be left, bare cement, for months. Piles of washing everywhere. Nappies bagged and left on the floor for days, though they made it to the bin eventually. Kitchen was frankly dirty, with sides invisible due to stuff being piled on. Nobody ever put anything away after it was used, it would just be left. I didn't realise until well into adult hood that people would immediately put something back where it belonged after use, as a matter of course, everything from bottle opener to hoover was just left. Never sat at dining table due to being piled high with shit. Never taught how to do any chores or how to clean properly and manage laundry. Cupboards unusable as they were so jammed full of stuff. The furniture itself was good quality - plenty of art on the walls, sofas were expensive, good carpets when we had it - so I think this meant it passed as arty and bohemian but actually it was a tip

Never any clean uniform or Games kit which led to detentions at school. Yelled at for losing things when things inevitably got lost the minute they were set down. Difficult to study as the rooms were kept dark with the curtains closed. We were always late because of things getting mislaid. Clothes never hung up, just picked from a communal pile that lived in a walk in closet.

Friends would have been welcome, but by the age of about 8 I was too embarrassed to invite them,but of course I couldn't tell my parents that so I made excuses.

Parents had good jobs and were comfortably off, they just couldn't be bothered to clean or tidy as there was always something they'd rather be doing.

They insisted until they were blue in the face that it didn't matter, that life was too short to waste cleaning, that sort of thing, but actually all it resulted in was a dishevelled childhood where everything seemed out of control and chaotic. If I'd told them that the house was embarrassing they just would have laughed at me.

When I moved out and had my first child, I did what I knew and for about a year or two my flat was a mess. I didn't know how to keep things clean and organised, and I read things like that "dust if you must" poem that floats around and ignored 99% of housework because I was spending time with my child. But then I noticed the same thing happening especially when nursery started, being late because everything was lying everywhere or no clothes were washed or dry, "losing"new clothes or toys in the mess and only finding them once they were outgrown.... It made me realise that while obviously there's no need to go to extremes and scrub your loo with bleach and a toothbrush every day, there's a reason why being reasonably clean and tidy is seen as a desirable life skill. I had to teach myself how to manage a home and to do the most basic tasks thanks to the Internet

The state of my childhood home had a really negative effect on me, and I could see the same thing happening with my own child. no it's not neglect or abuse, but when your house is so messy that it's not a pleasant or comfortable place to be, or when the mess is causing regular stress and impacting on other ordinary bits of life, then your child probably would quite like you to do a bit of cleaning rather than a craft activity with them, certainly once they're a bit older. I think people are really fooling themselves if they think that level of mess doesn't impact on their children

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Pelleas · 15/07/2020 10:13

I still constantly leaves cupboard doors and drawers open

Yes, I am terrible at this. It's always caused friction in my relationships (my partners/husband grew up in normal houses; one ex had a super-houseproud mum) - it exasperates people, understandably. The ex with the house proud mum, with whom I parted amicably, met my husband once before we were married and actually warned him about how messy I am. I don't think they understand how much of an effort it is when you haven't been conditioned to put things away or tidy up after yourself. I have trained myself to do this now but if my mind is on something else I just forget and leave food wrappers out on the kitchen worktops, cupboards open etc. etc. which understandably pisses my husband off.

Pelleas · 15/07/2020 10:18

I would add that my parents were very anti-littering and I was trained from babyhood when out and about to put litter in the bin or take it home - I do this without thinking, even if I have to carry rubbish with me some distance to a bin - yet at home, I have to make a conscious effort to drop things in a bin that's in the same room!

Craftycorvid · 15/07/2020 10:23

My parents were an odd blend in many ways, not just in terms of tidiness. Mum was very strict about a cleaning rota - one room a day completely bottomed; the punctuation of my childhood is the ‘roar of the vacuum cleaner and the smell of the Pledge’ -to destroy an old quote. But both parents had issues with hoarding things. Our spare bedroom was (and is) a glory hole of debris. Mum’s attitude to clutter was to buy another cupboard to stuff it in. Dad would semi start decorating projects then just stop without explanation. We had one room with the furniture under dust covers for so long it went mouldy. Needless to say, I’d not have been comfortable asking people round. I’m clearing the house for sale now, and it’s weird coming across so much of the past in drawers and forgotten. I myself am on the ‘oops it’s getting a bit grim’ school of cleaning and will blitz occasionally. If it’s hygienic it’s good enough for me. and I don’t worry about the cobwebs too much. I did inherit some hoarding habits though, so periodically have big throw-outs. I also have a fear of not finishing things/projects.

MachineBee · 15/07/2020 10:24

It’s important to keep a balance, to ensure our DCs know how to maintain sensible tidiness and hygiene in a home. Not only does it affect them as children but they take that with them to other relationships.

I’m not a neat freak but I don’t like permanent clutter. Things left out for a few days while a project is completed is fine but when stuff just seems to have taken up permanent residence somewhere on view, it isn’t ok.

My DSCs are very messy. They can always find stuff (food, tools, equipment etc) in cupboards but it’s never put back when finished with. Beds unmade, clothes hung up on the floor, food left out uncovered etc. Their DF isn’t like this at all, so I can only assume this is their norm at their DMs. It is tiresome and draining, especially when me and their DF are mocked for having a tidy home.

They are all over 18 now and they don’t stay over so often, so its less of an issue as we just clear up after they’re gone. It’s their future partners that I feel sorry for.

GenderApostate19 · 15/07/2020 10:31

Yanbu. A set of my inlaws have a cluttered mess of a house, it has damp problems but they just won’t spend money on it, they talk about big plans to do stuff and it either gets started and never finished or never even gets off the ground. They have both been furloughed for months but done nothing.
You walk in off the street into the front room that is piled high with all kinds of crap and have to pick your way through to the middle room, move piles of post/clothes etc. Off the sofas before you can sit. The fireplace will have opened xmas presents scattered all over it.
The kitchen looks like a bomb has gone off, every surface is covered, overflowing bin bags on the floor.
Upstairs is like something you see on tv hoarder shows 🤢
I don’t know how they can bear to have visitors tbh.

Chosennone · 15/07/2020 10:49

Pelleas
I am impressed that you can still stay at your parents. Do they know how you view it?

I realised now my DC are teens, how much i hated being at home! I thought it was normal teenage stuff. I would rather nag out at the local bus stop with a few other kids in the wind and rain than be at home! Mind you there was no Wifi/tech then. My teens love being at home.
My parents actually have gardener and from the front the house looks lovely. My DF goes through phases of having a good go at cleaning and then leaving it for ages again. My DB thinks no one has dusted for years. They gave up hoovering upstairs years ago. My DM is the one who does barely anything. She just doesn't see it/care.

Growing up I only ever felt comfortable when she was off work/just before Xmas when she would have a de clutter and clean.

All that has stopped now. The thought of the commode they have in their bedroom makes me shudder, i told Social care that too.

grey12 · 15/07/2020 10:51

In my country they say: not 8 nor 80. Your house may have been dirty which isn't good, but also let's not exaggerate to the other extreme. "Dust if you must" doesn't mean your house is a tip, it means you do the necessary.

Do a good KonMarie to your house and then keep things organised. Do cleaning once a week and keep kitchen counters hygienic. Do a spring clean up once/twice year.

I am a messy person so I have to find ways to keep organised. I don't fold underwear in neat rows like my mum did! I throw it in boxes by type. Find your own tricks Wink

Smallsteps88 · 15/07/2020 10:51

I don't think I'll ever get to the stage of a tidy home with sides wiped every day, but I would like at least to have the kids be able to keep their rooms clean - dirty washing in the basket, rubbish in the bin, cups and plates brought down each evening etc. I think that is something to aim for while they're young enough to be trained.

Make wiping down the sides the one thing you always do after dinner every day. It’s really not a big or long task and done daily means very little to wipe- but makes such a difference to your kitchen and dare I say it- state of mind. There’s really no reason to assume that’s something you’ll never achieve.

HowFastIsTooFast · 15/07/2020 10:52

@Chosennone My parents place isn't as bad as some described here and I will visit their house, but I won't stay there, more because their neglect of a lovely house makes me angry, than it being overtly dirty. I book a hotel nearby.

For a long time I wouldn't take a partner there even for a drink, but now they've finally had their bathroom refitted I perhaps would, at least until the new one has had time enough to become as grim as the old one Hmm

zigaziga · 15/07/2020 10:54

My ILs house is like you describe and it actually made my DH into a very clean person so in a way I am thankful.
There are some household jobs that he wouldn’t ever think to do but mopping floors is the one thing he does all the time so there must be some memory of filthy floors in there somewhere that he can’t get rid of...

Boeufsurletoit · 15/07/2020 10:59

YANBU, but living in a tidy house doesn't mean you are taught to clean. My DM cleaned all the time, and most weekends revolved around cleaning. But I was expected to keep out of the way while this was happening. Like you, I never learned how to keep things tidy. Although I do keep a reasonable house most of the time I find it an uphill struggle to keep control of my space. I've also found it a struggle to do nice things with the children, as there was no time for games and crafts, so that's another skill I've had to learn from books, internet and watching other families. I think parents need to keep a reasonably tidy house and leave time for play too. It's about balance.

Pelleas · 15/07/2020 11:01

I am impressed that you can still stay at your parents. Do they know how you view it?

Yes, they do but like many contentious things in my family history, it's something we don't talk about it. My sister and I decided to 'tackle' them about it, about 10 years ago - it caused huge upset, my mum was in tears and my dad got angry (my sister and I were trying to be encouraging rather than blaming, by the way) - nothing changed so it's just become another 'unmentionable' on the list. My sister and I talk about it to each other fairly often.

My parents are elderly and in poor health now, so nothing is likely to change. I love them, so I have no choice but to accept the way they live. My dad has given up driving so while they do stay with me sometimes, this means a difficult train journey for them. When I stay there (sleeping on a broken sofa bed that won't fold down, so basically sleeping on a sofa - there's a perfectly good bed buried in my old bedroom but it's no longer even visible) I try to take charge of cooking and (pre-Covid) make sure we eat out as much as possible Sad.

lattegracelaced07 · 15/07/2020 11:08

I think it's a balance. There's always going to be a little mess and chaos in a family home (and I've found that really difficult to accept) but if it's too messy then it impacts on everyone in a multitude of ways (ie, not being able to find things). I like things neat but have struggled for years trying to maintain a clean and orderly home. It's fairly fine, I'm just being hard on myself. On the other hand if a house is too perfectly clean and tidy no one can relax. Perfectionism can have a detrimental impact on children too. Perhaps a happy medium is best?

Chosennone · 15/07/2020 11:11

@Pelleas that sounds very difficult. It is good that you make such an effort. Mine only live 20 minutes away so will come here. Pre Covid we would meet in a cafe once a fortnight ish.

As they become less mobile, and both have issues with ill health, their life has shrunk and they are at home a lot more. This means it has got worse rather than better. I get what you mean about 'unmentionables' we have many within the family! It was a poster on the relationships board around 10 years ago who made me realise I don't have to go to their house with my family. At that point my DC were little and had found a bowl of urine upstairs next to the bed (pre commode) and spilt it! Clearly hadn't been emptied for a while. They were only in their mid 60s then so quite capable, just lazy.

IdblowJonSnow · 15/07/2020 11:12

Yanbu OP.
Either extreme is affecting. I grew up in a very tidy home. My mum once called me a slut for not ironing my pillowcase. I was 12 or 13. My dad once smacked me around the head because I dried my hands on the tea towel rather than the hand towel as a young adult. Great parenting! Hmm
I'm a bit OCD but just have to let the kids crack on and make a mess although it does put me on edge a bit! Blush

Beachhuts90 · 15/07/2020 11:21

My parents are also messy and have gotten worse since I've moved out. My mother blames my father (he does have a lot of stuff and doesn't like to get rid of it) but she doesn't do much either. She is on it with laundry but not much else.

I'm somewhere in the middle. They were shocked how clean and uncluttered our place was when they visited the first time.

I don't think it had lasting negative impact on me but I always wanted to entertain and except for one day (Christmas Eve) they could never get it together to have people around. That one day would lead to a massive family argument too as they frantically put things into closets and bedrooms. Now that I'm an adult and a homeowner, having it visitor ready is definitely in my mind, although we are doing renovations so it isn't actually ready right now.

Pelleas · 15/07/2020 11:22

I don't have to go to their house with my family

Yes, I think you're absolutely right. The impetus for us to try to tackle it that once, was that my sister (who lives in the same town as my parents) was pregnant and she could see their house was no place to take a baby or small child - sadly she later miscarried and wasn't able to conceive again, so this never in fact became an issue - we did hope at the time that the prospect of a grandchild might change my parents' habits, but it was probably a false hope. My parents didn't seem particularly fussed about the prospect of grandchildren so I don't think the idea of one being able to visit would have been enough to make a change.

As they become less mobile, and both have issues with ill health, their life has shrunk and they are at home a lot more.

Yes, that's exactly what's happened to mine.

ChavvySexPond · 15/07/2020 11:45

Having always had ongoing renovations in every house we've ever lived in, we don't have a lot of stuff, and our home is regularly cleaned. But not always pretty. I shall await the thread about us in 20 years. Grin

My best friend lived in a house where you weren't allowed to make noise or mess. Her mum was always mini-rollering magnolia paint on tiny marks on the walls and the 3 second rule in her house meant that's how long you were allowed put your school bag down for while you took your shoes off on the mat before you got a "Don't just leave that there!" My friends house as an adult is most emphatically NOT like that.

Bluntness100 · 15/07/2020 11:58

it wasn't until DH moved in that I had a mop, as I'd never seen anyone use one to clean a floor

You see I don’t understand this. Because you see this sort of thing all the time, on tv adverts for example, or books, folks clean, but ultimately it’s not difficult.

I grew up in a council flat, this didn’t mean I didn’t know that grass needed cutting or a lawn mower was required for the job. I didn’t think gosh I wonder how folks keep their grass down and that I’d never heard of lawn mowers.

Even if we never saw our parents mop, Hoover, dust, mow the lawn or drill holes, we still grow up knowing these things happen and the tools required for the job. Because they were advertised on tv, or a character did them in a book, or a family member talked about it.

Hoppinggreen · 15/07/2020 11:58

Our house isn’t perfect, we have 2DC, a big hairy dog and 2 cats.
It used to be quite messy and a bit grubby but since the dc got older I have really made a huge effort to have it “visitor ready “, especially since DD lives closer to her school than most of her friends so I never know who will arrive home with her
As I said it’s not perfect but if anyone wants to drop in with very little notice I dint need to rush round in a panic anymore

Cherrytangfastic · 15/07/2020 12:03

I had a very similar upbringing. Too embarrassed to invite friends over except those I trusted, gross school uniforms that stank of smoke, carpets/wallpaper ripped up, no curtains, holey mattresses and rubbish everywhere.

My mother would eat a bag of crisps and just chuck the wrapper on the floor!!

My closest friend told me a few years ago that she once found a maggot in my hair Shock. It was only by visiting my aunt and other relatives that I learnt what was normal.

It's only now that I'm beginning to realise how badly it has impacted me. I get very stressed and feel guilty if my house isn't tidy and clean, though not to an extreme extent luckily. My DH often points out how much I feet about it. It comes with a childhood of shame and embarrassment. I moved out as soon as I could and my mother still lives in a pig sty. Although she is lovely she makes excuse after excuse and blames the world for her problems.

It does impact you and it's shitty.

Cherrytangfastic · 15/07/2020 12:06

*fret not feet!

Emeraldshamrock · 15/07/2020 12:11

@Pelleas it isn't easy. Thankfully my partner is easy going, but I'm hitting my head off them, I move around open cupboards to pass them he shakes his head in despair but jokingly.

Stickystick · 15/07/2020 12:12

I don’t believe in tidiness for the sake of it but what you describe OP is another level!

I have a family member in a similar situation - every surface is piled high with stuff, in the kitchen there are heaps of filthy plates with ancient rotting food, windows are never opened so there is a terrible, stuffy, animal litter smell. The child in the house knows instinctively she can’t have friends round for play dates because this situation is unpleasant, not normal and she would get bullied for it, most likely. I have sympathy with working parents who are tired and stretched as it is, but there is a limit to what is tolerable..

WindsorBlues · 15/07/2020 12:19

My grandparents house was a pig sty when DF was growing up and even when I was little I hated going to visit as there wasn't a clean space to sit down. His DP didn't keep him clean either.

It obviously gave my DF a bit of a complex as nearly all the dads on the estate where I grew up spent Sundays in the pub where as he was seen as a bit odd, as he spent the day scrubbing behind the cooker, washing the windows, polishing our school shoes and doing all the other bits and bobs that the other men deemed womans work.

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