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Will face masks make you more likely to shop and eat out?

553 replies

CamDram · 14/07/2020 07:41

I understand the reasons for making face masks compulsory. But I’m not sure whether I’ll want to go out into the shops or restaurants and spend money on the high streets unless I really need something specific once everyone’s faces are covered.

Will compulsory face mask make you:

YES - MORE likely to go out shopping/ eating out on the high street

NO- LESS likely to go out shopping

W

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SheldonSaysSo1 · 20/07/2020 18:45

@cologne4711 it's not a case of whether people are capable of wearing a mask and washing their hands. It is more a case that makes provide a false sense of security and I have noticed some people come much closer when wearing them

SheldonSaysSo1 · 20/07/2020 18:45

Sorry that should read masks provide a false sense of security

HeIenaDove · 20/07/2020 20:20

I know, I’m so bloody embarrassed

Me too.

Italy..............hands out free masks outside pharmacies.
Japan................cooled face masks for hot weather.

UK Make your own mask out of an old sock!!!!

DisgruntledSnowman · 20/07/2020 20:31

Much happier to go to shops ince masks are compulaory.

I'm a HCP so used to mask wearing at work. If I can manage a mask for 12.5 hours at a time on the boiling hot maternity ward, then an hour around the shops will be a doddle. I'm a glasses wearer, and the steaming up thing only happens for the first little while that you're wearing the mask.

flibbertmygibbert · 20/07/2020 20:37

Much happier to shop once masks are compulsory. I haven’t been in a shop since March. OH went for the first time last week and was the only person wearing one and felt like a twat. Will feel much happier when everyone is feeling like a twat together.

sleepingpup · 20/07/2020 23:17

Feel much better when other shoppers are wearing masks. I'll be going into my town centre when that happens.

Nottherealslimshady · 20/07/2020 23:31

I like wearing a mask tbh, feels like a protection from others in the psychological sense rather than viral. I do have extreme social anxiety though.

HeIenaDove · 21/07/2020 18:14

www.dailyrecord.co.uk/news/scottish-news/disabled-scots-lawyer-disgusted-after-22380425?fbclid=IwAR0kTWJTrE-LAf-DL2YN0JXuvl-0tJ8sKWy5z4MsjiXwfRxyrA1gV_VnhUA

Disabled Scots lawyer 'disgusted' after being harassed and refused entry to shops without face mask
Daniel Donaldson has hidden disabilities and says he has been taken aback by the treatment he has received on the street from strangers

A disabled Scots lawyer claims he has been regularly harassed and abused by strangers for not wearing a face mask in shops.

Daniel Donaldson has hidden respiratory disabilities and is exempt from wearing a mask.

The 40-year-old, who is a disability rights lawyer, says he has been left ‘disgusted’ by the discriminatory treatment directed towards him and others who are permitted to not wear a face covering in public.

He claims he has been confronted by strangers, subjected to vile verbal attacks and refused entry into stores since face masks were made mandatory in shops in Scotland on July 10.

Daniel told the Daily Record: “I have hidden disabilities and underlying medical conditions and therefore I am exempt from wearing a mask.

“However I have been utterly taken aback at the treatment I, and others in similar situations, have experienced since they were made compulsory two weeks ago.

We are being discriminated against and refused access to shops on some occasions, and that is just not acceptable.

“I’m disgusted.

“Just last week I was stopped in John Lewis by a customer who demanded to know where my mask was.

“I said I am exempt and then a further explanation was demanded, to which I told the person to ‘p* off’ because it’s a breach of my privacy.

"Face masks affect my breathing. This raises my respiration. This increases my heart rate. This causes distress. To wear this, I need to take diazepam. In addition to the regular medications, and liquid steroids to help keep my airways open

Daniel also slammed the Scottish Government for “rushing through” confusing legislation to enforce the new rule.

He added: “The problem is, the Scottish Government published this law three hours before it was introduced.

“There was no consultation with disability groups, no taking into account how it would affect them.

"The guidance is confusing, and doesn't make it clear that we don't need medical evidence to prove we are exempt."

Daniel, from Glasgow, says he was desperate to get out and about after being cooped up at home since the end of February.

He has been relishing the easing of restrictions but was not prepared for the amount of people who would challenge him in the street or in shops over his lack of PPE.

Daniel said: “I’m not jumping on the anti-face mask bandwagon here, I just believe people with disabilities who are exempt have the right not to be harassed going about their lives.

“Disabled people are not lepers, we are not going out there to spread the virus, and if staff and other customers are wearing their face masks, they have nothing to worry about, they are protected.

“So I’m just trying to raise a bit of awareness as we all try to get back to a bit of normality because it has been a lonely time for all of us and it’s not fair that some are feeling worry about finally getting to go into shops.”

Daniel, who runs the Disability Law Centre in Glasgow, has been using his organisation’s Facebook page to raise awareness and call shops out for discriminatory treatment.

He has also stepped in when he has witnessed harassment of others.

He added: “I have intervened in a number of incidents and I try to help as much as I can.

“Last week a security guard at a shop in Glasgow was trying to stop a young girl from entering because she didn’t have a mask, even though she was explaining why she couldn't wear one.

“He was intimidating her and I was not happy with his tone to this young girl, another woman said it was disgusting, so I took it up with management and they apologised profusely.

“But we can’t be there to see all these incidents unfold.”

Proof of exemption is also not a suitable solution to the issue, according to Daniel.

He said: “Things like exemption lanyards or so called medical evidence will not work.

“If you put a lanyard on, it’s like putting a big disability sticker on you forehead.

“All we can do for now is raise awareness because the system right now is not working.

“It makes me wary to go out but I will continue to live my life and try to help others do the same.”

A Scottish Government spokesperson said: “As the First Minister has said, no one should be abused or treated in an unacceptable way and those exempt under the regulations should not be made to wear a face covering or denied access to shops.

"Retailers can ask people to wear a face covering, but should be understanding when people tell them they are exempt and we do not expect staff to enforce the wearing of face coverings.

“The guidance on the use of face coverings by the public is contained in the Phase 3 Staying Safe and Protecting others guidance on the Scottish Government website.

This makes clear that it may not be appropriate for those who have a health condition or for disabled people to wear a face covering.

“For those who are not exempt, it is now mandatory to wear a face covering on public transport and in shops or other retail outlets, and we expect face coverings to be worn when in an enclosed public space where it is difficult to maintain two metres physical distance and where there is a risk of close contact with multiple people you do not usually meet.”

Find out more about Daniel's campaign to promote awareness of hidden disabilities here

LeilaDarling · 22/07/2020 14:28

Will actively avoid shops from
Friday. So will most people I know so it will be extremely detrimental to the economy. @PenelopePitstop49 best response I have seen in ages, thank you.

1moremum · 22/07/2020 15:02

shop? yes, but not as casual entertainment.
eat out? nope. you have to take the mask off and take on faith that employees and previous customers haven't left the virus behinds on some surface. we have never been inclined to do takeaway, but as more and more restaurants we used to enjoy have signed on to the delivery services during lockdown we have taken to having a weekly takeaway instead of a night out. especially if they are locally owned.

But I have no interest in eating in a restaurant yet.

Saucery · 22/07/2020 15:10

*From Friday 24th July, shoppers must by law wear a face covering in shops and supermarkets.

Booths continue to follow Government and Public Health England guidance and we request that you adhere to the new regulations by wearing a suitable face covering which covers the nose and mouth.

Our colleagues will politely remind you to wear a face covering at store entrances from Friday — if you are exempt for any reason, please let our team know, as there are some exceptions in place.

If you arrive without a suitable face covering you may be refused entry to the store or asked if you have a suitable alternative like a scarf. Face coverings can be purchased at Booths if you find you have forgotten to bring one. Our colleague will bring this to the door for you, simply put the empty packet in with the rest of your shopping at the checkout to pay.

You don’t need to wear a face covering when dining in at any of our cafes but are required to wear one in all other areas of the store.

Our colleagues will be wearing face coverings whilst in customer areas of the store.

Please continue to be considerate of our colleagues and other customers while you shop. Not all disabilities are visible, and some people may not be able to socially distance or follow some hygiene guidelines such as wearing face coverings.*

Latest email/info from Booths supermarkets, which includes a reminder that some people may not be able to wear masks. I assume that if you discreetly tell the member of staff at the door that you can’t wear one for medical reasons then that would be fine, as they don’t specify what proof you need.

Saucery · 22/07/2020 15:12

Stupid bold fail. First 7 paras are the info from Booths.

I know they are insisting on the basket/trolley rule at my local store, so hope they are as strict with the mask rule, exceptions excluded of course.

monkeytennis97 · 22/07/2020 15:16

I will be happier to go into a shop once masks are compulsory. That said I've got to go back to teaching in a few weeks time with potentially near on 2000 kids in my 'bubble'

MoltenLasagne · 23/07/2020 07:34

I went shopping the other day wearing a mask but it wasn't enjoyable and I certainly wasn't browsing the way I normally do. When I went to pay at the carpark I'd been out just over an hour - normally I'm trying to make sure I get back before the 4 hour limit. I don't know how long shops will last if people are only going out for as short a time as possible for necessities.

romeolovedjulliet · 25/07/2020 07:51

sales of pg tips have gone through the roof since i'm doing all my shopping online, haven't stepped into a shop since feb. wouldn't really know what to expect now apart from what i read on here and in the news.

CasperGutman · 25/07/2020 08:09

I'm seriously conflicted on this. On one hand, if mask wearing saves lives that's a good reason to make it compulsory. Since masks are supposed to protect others, not those wearing them, the idea that it should be left to individuals to choose whether or not to wear them seems problematic.

On the other hand, I don't think it will make me more likely to go to the high street for a shopping trip, or to a restaurant for a meal out. Seeing everyone in masks is a constant reminder there's a pandemic on, and makes me feel like I should go home and order from Amazon or Uber Eats instead!

MrsAJ27 · 25/07/2020 08:16

No absolutely not! Wore one to do the weekly shop yesterday, it was a horrible experience. I certainly won't be going to the high street

Katjolo · 25/07/2020 08:27

No

lifeafter50 · 25/07/2020 08:52

No. Have got out of the habit of shopping s🛒 since lockdown and buy all non food items online now /much easier, cheaper and no parking or petrol costs. I as amazed to discover au cam but plants online and have had fantastic quality and price so don't even need to go to the garden centre/has been a big revelation and one positive aspect of the situation. The food shops O go to have said they are not going to police the mask policy, so will just go there /do the food shopping and go home again.
Have seen no data at all that masks save lives either.

Sophiesdog2020 · 25/07/2020 10:58

I have just been having a WhatsApp convo with some friends about this very subject.

One works in a profession where masks are mandatory as she has close contact with patients. She is adamant that we will all get used to them and will all be shopping as normal in coming weeks!

I told her about this thread but she doesn’t believe it’s findings. It’s for the greater good and we should all shop as normal, there’s no reason not to!

Like many, I will wear a mask for food shopping and any essentials, maybe a clothes shop every 2/3 months, but will use internet for everything else. Like others on here, I have got out of the habit of using the high street, and why would I want to wander around a large shopping centre wearing a mask, when most of items I can buy on my PC?

My DH bought Amazon shares when they were just starting up, the share price has gone through the roof in the last 6 months. He has a wide portfolio but none have gone up like Amazon has recently.

TheAirbender · 25/07/2020 11:04

We had a very severe lockdown where I live (no walks, needed permits to go to the Dr or do grocery shopping). Since it lifted, masks have been mandatory. I’ve not seen or heard any resistance to them at all and the shops are back to being packed. I wonder whether because our freedom came back with masks, no-one thought to quibble about it. The UKs will we/won’t we attitude then late adoption of masks has caused mistrust and confusion IMO.

Sunshinegirl82 · 25/07/2020 11:07

Just an example but my DS starts school in September and needs uniform. He is tricky to get clothes that fit because he is pretty skinny! M&S do school trousers in a size 2-3 so I thought I'd try there.

Normally we would have gone over together, tried everything on, had a look round (I might have picked up a top or something nice for the baby if I spotted something!) and then treated ourselves to a bit of cake in the cafe. As those stand he couldn't try anything on anyway and masks freak him out a bit (he's only just 4) so I didn't see the point in going at all. So I've just done a massive online order instead. I can't be the only one who will think that way.

Iknewyouwerewaitingforme · 25/07/2020 11:17

Was as out shopping for an hour wearing mine yesterday. Towards the end I was nearly hyperventilating, my skin got sore from it rubbing against me and the more you move about/get hotter my breath was coming in much more intense bursts and it was sticking to my face, couldn't wait to get it off!! Will make me far less inclined to go shopping and more likely to take up food delivery again, which is a same as I'd really enjoyed my weekly big shops to a large local supermarket during lockdown.

JaceLancs · 25/07/2020 11:24

I will wear one for my brief supermarket visits but won’t be going leisure shopping at all
I’m looking forward to saving money like I did when we first went into lockdown
It’s really helped me curb my shopping habit as I only order essentials online

RogueV · 25/07/2020 11:26

Definitely less