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Advice Needed Re Father In Law

98 replies

tinpony91 · 11/07/2020 20:39

Please read my words below -- am I being reasonable - or am i being too protective a father..??

I am fuming, and need to hear what you think about the situation I am finding myself in.... and would like to know what you would do if you were in my shoes.

My wife is Slovakian, and I am English - and in the main our cultures are very similar - we get on very well and have been together for nearly 20 years with hardly a bad word exchanged.

My mother in law married her partner 10 years ago, and we have welcomed him into our family. I got on with him very well until 8 years ago when my wife and I had our first child (a boy called Tommy).
Since Tommy was born my new father in law has completely weirded out over him.
Right from the first time he met Tommy he has been completely smitten, but in my view not a normal way.
He is constantly trying to play with Tommy at the same age level that Tommy is -- when Tommy was a baby my father in law also played with him as a baby,,, when Tommy was 5 he played with him as though he was a five himself. Now Tommy is 7 he plays with him as though he were 7 himself,,, It freaks me out a bit, as my father in law will ignore the other adults in the room, and just play with the kids.
i know this isnt the biggest deal,,, but it freaks me out a lot that a 60 year old man plays like a child and ignores people of his own age. Tommy needs role models, not a 60 year old playmate.
Ok -- theres more....
When my father in law and Tommy are watching TV, my father in law can't keep his hands off my son, his hair, hands, shoulders, and sometimes his bum or thigh. Every time i see this happening I tell my father in law that he shouldn't be touching Tommy there, and he stops. But the next time he comes to visit,,, the same pattern starts again.
Call me unreasonable, but in my upbringing kids were left to play and develop their own imaginations. Yes adults were constantly around, yes they would play games and join in with us. but in the main -- the kids played with the kids,, and the adults stuck to the adults.
I am very much of the thought that you should be leading children into play ... but not being permanently at the centre of it.
I love it when my children say they're bored,,,, because it gives me the opportunity to tell them to use their imaginations, think up their own games, generate their own fun. In order to develop properly they need to learn to be bored, as boredom leads to development.

Anyway -- sorry for venting all this on here .... there's much more.

So two years after Tommy was born, little Katie came along. My father in law shows only passing interest in her, and it is obvious to everyone that he dotes on Tommy and doesn't treat the two children equally.
My wife and I both think that my inlaws are just about responsible enough adults to take care of our children. We let them take them on days out (they have lost Tommy at a large Sea Life Centre - and Katie at a large toy store) and despite the days out, we still don't feel comfortable about them letting them stay overnight ... despite regular long faces from the In Laws when we say no -- its taken nearly 8 years for us to let our kids stay away over night with them
And last night was the first night.
My Father in Law slept in the same bed as my son !!! and I have gone mental over it. In a separate room from my mother in law and his sister.
His strange behaviour over the past 7 years, his total focus on my son, his hands in places that make me feel uncomfortable enough to tell him to stop, his constant efforts to take Tommy away from group situations and play with him exclusively.....
Them sharing a bed last night (I am not saying anything happened - I asked Tommy about does he remember about private parts, and what he should do if people try to touch them -- and he does remember as he has been taught it at school - and he said nothing like that happened) but it just completely creeps me out. Its just plain not right.
It might be a cultural difference - something that in his head he thinks its fine for a grown man to sleep with a 7 year old (we all know this is not the case)
Anyway -- as soon as I found this out this evening I have been on the phone and read him the riot act. He is now offended that I suggest that his behaviour is inappropriate ("what kind of man do you think I am ???? ,,,, and I said someone who shares a bed with my 7 year old against all the norms of society)

So.... in my situation what would you do ?
My wife has spoken to her mother, and received assurances that the children will sleep together in a separate room tonight.., and I am driving 1st thing tomorrow morning to collect them..
I feel like smacking him in the face .. but will not lower myself to that sort of behaviour in front of the kids.

Am i totally over reacting ? -- I don't think so given my long term displeasure at his weird behaviour towards my son.
How do i work this one out.?
No suggestion that he has touched my son -- but there are too many red flags for me to do nothing
This has now caused a big upset with my wife and an upset with my relationship with my inlaws.
My sons needs and safety are paramount.
Can you give me some advice please?

OP posts:
BobbieDraper · 11/07/2020 20:46

In this situation, you dont have to be reasonable. You dont have to be understanding or quiet or give the benefit if the doubt.

This is about your son. You can make whatever choice you want here; it doesnt matter one bit how offended your FIL is. If your wife disagrees, then you need to have a discussion along the lines of "if I'm wrong, no harm done to the kids. Your parents can still see them but no unsupervised (they dont need unsupervised access to have a relationship with the kids. It's fine for you to always be there). If I'm right, it isnt worth the risk." So go with the safest approach. Will your wife back you up on that?

latheritup · 11/07/2020 20:49

There is no way my FIL would be sharing a bed with my child. Not a chance in hell. I wouldn't have even let them stay over after what you've said.

It is inappropriate and concerning. You have every right as a parent to put a stop to this immediately. No unsupervised contact. Ever.

Smorgasbored0000 · 11/07/2020 20:50

Go with your gut instinct. It’s your job as a parent to protect your kids, so if your FILs behaviour makes you uncomfortable then you need to take a stand against it, because your son is vulnerable. Please don’t ignore your gut feelings, they just might be right.

SallyLovesCheese · 11/07/2020 20:53

If it makes you feel uncomfortable (and it would me) then you do whatever you have to do.

Your FIL is completely out of order, imo. Even without all the other stuff, this is not appropriate.

Aquamarine1029 · 11/07/2020 20:55

I would be in the car to get them right now. Never doubt your instincts, and given this man's utterly bizarre and inappropriate behaviour, you have every reason in the world to be concerned. Your wife needs to wake up.

OoohTheStatsDontLie · 11/07/2020 21:02

The playing their level wouldn't concern me. Some people are great with kids. Everything else you've said, would concern me. The touching your child when you've said no. The treating your children differently. The sharing a bed. Are all deal breakers. You've spoken to him and he is not changing. So I don't think you've got any other choice other than no unsupervised contact or no contact

Neighneigh · 11/07/2020 21:08

Sorry but I'd be in the car to go collect them already. Tell the kids you missed them so you're taking them home

whattimeisitrightnow · 11/07/2020 21:10

As soon as he was putting his hands on your child’s bum, that should have been the end of your relationship with him and possibly the start of SS involvement to ask for advice on what to do. I don’t understand that at all. If someone “couldn’t keep their hands off” my bum I’d be aghast, and I’m a grown adult. It’s so weird that you all brushed over that and only challenged it insofar as telling him not to do it again - it’s grooming at best, could be considered actual assault.

whattimeisitrightnow · 11/07/2020 21:12

And I echo what others said: go and get them right now. You cannot trust this man. It’s not an overreaction - your instincts are screaming at you, so you have to listen.

Muppetry76 · 11/07/2020 21:12

Fuck that shit OP. I'd be on my way to the in-law's immediately.

I don't care what excuse they give. In today's world there is almost zero excuse for a grown man to be sleeping in the same bed as a 7yo. Unless it's the father and the child is extremely ill/had a night terror or something.

Your spider senses were already tingling. This confirmed it.

Go get him now op.

InkieNecro · 11/07/2020 21:12

I would also be in the car to collect them now. Do you want to be one of those people who have to live with themselves if anything happens to your son and you knew it was a possibility beforehand?

Aquamarine1029 · 11/07/2020 21:14

I think leaving your son there tonight could be putting him at massive risk. Get in the damn car.

kazzer2867 · 11/07/2020 21:15

Your FIL is completely out of order, imo. Even without all the other stuff, this is not appropriate.

^^This. Totally inappropriate. If that was me, my children would not be spending another night there.

peakygal · 11/07/2020 21:15

Playing at the same age level isn't concerning however reading everything else made me feel really uncomfortable and if it was me I would have went round there and taken your children home. You're not over reacting. You're being a parent

notapizzaeater · 11/07/2020 21:18

I'd be driving there - there's no way my dad would have slept with my son, maybe my mum if he'd had a nightmare but not my dad.

Dinomom52 · 11/07/2020 21:19

I’d also be on my way to collect them now.

GrumpyHoonMain · 11/07/2020 21:19

The playing at the same age level is acceptable but the other stuff isn’t. I would go and collect my kids if I were you. Right now. And not let them stay over or have contact ever again.

shiveringwiggles · 11/07/2020 21:20

Collect them as quickly as you can- trust your instincts!

TartanTuesday · 11/07/2020 21:23

As PPs say - go and get them NOW!

Carandi · 11/07/2020 21:23

I think this could be very identifying OP. You've indicated what nationality you and your wife are and named both your children. If any of your friends or family are on MN they could work out who you are. Personally I'd ask MN admin to either remove your post or remove the names.

StuffThem · 11/07/2020 21:24

Go and get them RIGHT NOW.

Go!

To hell with offending FIL or not. Your kids, your duty to protect them.

ArnoJambonsBike · 11/07/2020 21:25

What everyone else said. Go and get them. You'll never forgive yourself if something happens

And the old pervert is not your father in law, he's you mother in laws husband and should be on a register.

ArnoJambonsBike · 11/07/2020 21:26

Just re-read your OP and I've seen less red flags at Anfield on a European night.

GameSetMatch · 11/07/2020 21:28

Why are you not already in the car driving up to collect them? Trust your instincts, imagine how bad you would feel if something did happen and you let it! go now!

IgiveupallthenamesIwantedareg0 · 11/07/2020 21:29

Whatever happened to having a loving, caring relationship with a grandparent? Why is it now that every hand-touch, cuddle, hug is a sign of some kind of abuse? When I was young and on holiday at our grandparents' house we got the choice as to where we would sleep.