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Advice Needed Re Father In Law

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tinpony91 · 11/07/2020 20:39

Please read my words below -- am I being reasonable - or am i being too protective a father..??

I am fuming, and need to hear what you think about the situation I am finding myself in.... and would like to know what you would do if you were in my shoes.

My wife is Slovakian, and I am English - and in the main our cultures are very similar - we get on very well and have been together for nearly 20 years with hardly a bad word exchanged.

My mother in law married her partner 10 years ago, and we have welcomed him into our family. I got on with him very well until 8 years ago when my wife and I had our first child (a boy called Tommy).
Since Tommy was born my new father in law has completely weirded out over him.
Right from the first time he met Tommy he has been completely smitten, but in my view not a normal way.
He is constantly trying to play with Tommy at the same age level that Tommy is -- when Tommy was a baby my father in law also played with him as a baby,,, when Tommy was 5 he played with him as though he was a five himself. Now Tommy is 7 he plays with him as though he were 7 himself,,, It freaks me out a bit, as my father in law will ignore the other adults in the room, and just play with the kids.
i know this isnt the biggest deal,,, but it freaks me out a lot that a 60 year old man plays like a child and ignores people of his own age. Tommy needs role models, not a 60 year old playmate.
Ok -- theres more....
When my father in law and Tommy are watching TV, my father in law can't keep his hands off my son, his hair, hands, shoulders, and sometimes his bum or thigh. Every time i see this happening I tell my father in law that he shouldn't be touching Tommy there, and he stops. But the next time he comes to visit,,, the same pattern starts again.
Call me unreasonable, but in my upbringing kids were left to play and develop their own imaginations. Yes adults were constantly around, yes they would play games and join in with us. but in the main -- the kids played with the kids,, and the adults stuck to the adults.
I am very much of the thought that you should be leading children into play ... but not being permanently at the centre of it.
I love it when my children say they're bored,,,, because it gives me the opportunity to tell them to use their imaginations, think up their own games, generate their own fun. In order to develop properly they need to learn to be bored, as boredom leads to development.

Anyway -- sorry for venting all this on here .... there's much more.

So two years after Tommy was born, little Katie came along. My father in law shows only passing interest in her, and it is obvious to everyone that he dotes on Tommy and doesn't treat the two children equally.
My wife and I both think that my inlaws are just about responsible enough adults to take care of our children. We let them take them on days out (they have lost Tommy at a large Sea Life Centre - and Katie at a large toy store) and despite the days out, we still don't feel comfortable about them letting them stay overnight ... despite regular long faces from the In Laws when we say no -- its taken nearly 8 years for us to let our kids stay away over night with them
And last night was the first night.
My Father in Law slept in the same bed as my son !!! and I have gone mental over it. In a separate room from my mother in law and his sister.
His strange behaviour over the past 7 years, his total focus on my son, his hands in places that make me feel uncomfortable enough to tell him to stop, his constant efforts to take Tommy away from group situations and play with him exclusively.....
Them sharing a bed last night (I am not saying anything happened - I asked Tommy about does he remember about private parts, and what he should do if people try to touch them -- and he does remember as he has been taught it at school - and he said nothing like that happened) but it just completely creeps me out. Its just plain not right.
It might be a cultural difference - something that in his head he thinks its fine for a grown man to sleep with a 7 year old (we all know this is not the case)
Anyway -- as soon as I found this out this evening I have been on the phone and read him the riot act. He is now offended that I suggest that his behaviour is inappropriate ("what kind of man do you think I am ???? ,,,, and I said someone who shares a bed with my 7 year old against all the norms of society)

So.... in my situation what would you do ?
My wife has spoken to her mother, and received assurances that the children will sleep together in a separate room tonight.., and I am driving 1st thing tomorrow morning to collect them..
I feel like smacking him in the face .. but will not lower myself to that sort of behaviour in front of the kids.

Am i totally over reacting ? -- I don't think so given my long term displeasure at his weird behaviour towards my son.
How do i work this one out.?
No suggestion that he has touched my son -- but there are too many red flags for me to do nothing
This has now caused a big upset with my wife and an upset with my relationship with my inlaws.
My sons needs and safety are paramount.
Can you give me some advice please?

OP posts:
ghostyslovesheets · 12/07/2020 09:17

Wow

LouHotel · 12/07/2020 09:18

Well done OP, please use this site as a sound board for when the family try to minimise.

People don't want to think child abuse exists so they turn a blind eye to warnings. My grandad abused my cousin, didn't touch the rest of us so alot of aunties and uncles still minimised even though he admitted it.

Alonelonelyloner · 12/07/2020 09:19

You did the right thing. Your priority is your son and your daughter. You'll never regret putting them first.

Breathe deeply OP. The fallout is not on you.

Alonelonelyloner · 12/07/2020 09:20

You did the right thing. Your priority is your son and your daughter. You'll never regret putting them first.

Breathe deeply OP. The fallout is not on you.

LazyDaisy22 · 12/07/2020 09:23

Well done OP - you definitely did the right thing.

ohfourfoxache · 12/07/2020 09:24

Well done - in the grand scheme of things a family fallout doesn’t matter, especially because FIL continues to behave inappropriately when you’ve told him to stop. The only thing that matters is the kids safety

GabriellaMontez · 12/07/2020 09:26

Good for you.

Your MILs husband is not your priority. Your child is.

He was totally inappropriate. Your MIL allowed it to happen. They face consequences.

PolloDePrimavera · 12/07/2020 09:27

Absolutely the right thing. And any family fall out is completely offset by your son's safety. They are adults.

TicTac80 · 12/07/2020 09:40

Well done, it's far better to be safe than sorry. Sod the family fall out!

For the record, I wouldn't buy that any cultural thing as making too much of a difference. You guys had already pulled SFIL up on things, he carried on. My family are from the Middle East (not that THAT should make a difference). As toddlers, my kids used to climb into my parents' bed in the early hours (when we'd stay over there). As did my nieces/nephews. However, I'm certain LOADS of kids - from all sorts of cultures - do that anyway. My poor Dad would normally bail out and head for a spare room to sleep in (you know how fidgety toddlers are!!)....and we'd find the kids star-fished in bed with my mum sleeping right on the edge!

However that sort of thing is very different from what you have been saying. Plus, you guys gave him plenty of warnings and requests not to do x/y/z, and rightfully so.

Velvian · 12/07/2020 09:42

Well done, op.

diddl · 12/07/2020 09:42

@GabriellaMontez

Good for you.

Your MILs husband is not your priority. Your child is.

He was totally inappropriate. Your MIL allowed it to happen. They face consequences.

Absolutely.

And how they now choose to act/react is totally up to them & not on you at all.

They are probably all outraged saying that nothing happened & let's pray that it didn't.

But he was way out of line even before the allowing of the sleepover.

Beautiful3 · 12/07/2020 09:53

That's not normal. I would end all over nights there. Your child comes first, you should not care about fil feelings at all. Abuse starts off by befriending and years of grooming to establish a good relationship, followed by small acts which escalate into abuse. What of fil touches him next time they share a bed? Yes you've told son it's wrong, say no. But fear can paralyze you. I would stop it now unless you want to be told after the event.

Beautiful3 · 12/07/2020 09:58

Sorry just read your update. Well done for picking him up. You've shown your son that his safety comes first, now he will always feel safe. I wouldnt worry about the fall out with pil. If they did things properly then they wouldn't need to be told common sense things like, don't touch him there and don't share a bed with him.

Wfhwith3yearold · 12/07/2020 10:03

Well done. It will be difficult going forward but you are doing what is best for your child.

Sunnydayshereatlast · 12/07/2020 10:37

The only important thing is your dc won't ever be sleeping there again will they? The fallout is not your concern to deal with.

Seeingadistance · 12/07/2020 11:01

Thank goodness, and well done, OP. You have done the right thing, and don’t let anyone tell you otherwise.

I read your thread last night, and it freaked me out. As a child I was touched inappropriately by my grandfather when other family members were present. No one ever said anything, and the abuse escalated as I got older.

Well done in protecting your child.

InkieNecro · 12/07/2020 11:08

You did the right thing, your son is lucky to have you. I've been thinking about this all night and I'm so relieved you went and got them.

tinpony91 · 12/07/2020 14:16

Again thank you very much for all your advice it is very much appreciated and caused me to go pick up the kids immediately (well after reading the first dozen comments)
My wife is fully supportive of my actions.

I actually printed the first part and the first dozen replies of this thread off and put it in an envelope for him to read ....I don't know if he will or not.
I have felt uncomfortable around this man for a long time, and his and my mother in laws reaction to this (they still think they have done nothing wrong) just prove to me that they have no intention of listening to me or changing their behaviours.
I am going to wait a couple of months, and then pay for them to speak to a child safeguarding specialist .... because if they don't change their attutides and behaviours they will have no future of any sort (supervised visits only) of future relationship with my family.
I do not think that any abuse has taken place, however their behaviour has always concerned me and my wife (which is why its taken us nearly 8 years to allow them to stay over unsupervised) however their view of what is right and wrong is very very different to everyone elses.

Again .... thank you very much for your comments.... I have just printed off this entire thread and posted it to them.
The fall out is going to last for ever .... but my kids come first.

OP posts:
StuffThem · 12/07/2020 14:30

I'm SO glad that you went and got them, and that your wife fully agrees with you. Flowers

Take your time before that next step. If I were you that man would be fully blocked from ever seeing my children, and MIL could only ever have fully supervised access. I wouldn't send them on safeguarding training - if there is anything dodgy, that would just give them the tools to further cover it up.

Hugs. You must be exhausted.

Tootletum · 12/07/2020 14:35

I am normally pretty laid back, but given that your FIL is not a blood relation, I think it's a bit different. It's almost certain that nothing happened, but his behaviour is bound to make you think otherwise, and bottom line is you're the parent, you make the rules. By all means try to keep everything civil, but he has to realise there are boundaries, and transgressions will mean no more contact.

Aquamarine1029 · 12/07/2020 15:38

I would be reporting your FIL to social services and the police now.

ArnoJambonsBike · 12/07/2020 16:26

I'm not sure why you would even offer supervised access. The bloke, if he isn't a paedophile, clear shows signs of vile noncery and I'd keep your precious bairns away from him and his enabler.

Notverygrownup · 12/07/2020 16:37

Just a thought. When you are next having a talk about privates with your son, check that as well as knowing about his own privates, he knows that if anyone asks him to touch theirs then he should also say no. And that if anyone ever asks him to keep a secret from you, then that's not OK - but that nothing will happen to you if he does tell (the classic abuse scenario, is that the child is told that their parents would be in trouble/hurt/worse if the child told them).

Hopefully you have intervened in time here, or God willing he is just oblivious to the social norms, and no harm has been done. But, just in case . . .

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