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Advice Needed Re Father In Law

98 replies

tinpony91 · 11/07/2020 20:39

Please read my words below -- am I being reasonable - or am i being too protective a father..??

I am fuming, and need to hear what you think about the situation I am finding myself in.... and would like to know what you would do if you were in my shoes.

My wife is Slovakian, and I am English - and in the main our cultures are very similar - we get on very well and have been together for nearly 20 years with hardly a bad word exchanged.

My mother in law married her partner 10 years ago, and we have welcomed him into our family. I got on with him very well until 8 years ago when my wife and I had our first child (a boy called Tommy).
Since Tommy was born my new father in law has completely weirded out over him.
Right from the first time he met Tommy he has been completely smitten, but in my view not a normal way.
He is constantly trying to play with Tommy at the same age level that Tommy is -- when Tommy was a baby my father in law also played with him as a baby,,, when Tommy was 5 he played with him as though he was a five himself. Now Tommy is 7 he plays with him as though he were 7 himself,,, It freaks me out a bit, as my father in law will ignore the other adults in the room, and just play with the kids.
i know this isnt the biggest deal,,, but it freaks me out a lot that a 60 year old man plays like a child and ignores people of his own age. Tommy needs role models, not a 60 year old playmate.
Ok -- theres more....
When my father in law and Tommy are watching TV, my father in law can't keep his hands off my son, his hair, hands, shoulders, and sometimes his bum or thigh. Every time i see this happening I tell my father in law that he shouldn't be touching Tommy there, and he stops. But the next time he comes to visit,,, the same pattern starts again.
Call me unreasonable, but in my upbringing kids were left to play and develop their own imaginations. Yes adults were constantly around, yes they would play games and join in with us. but in the main -- the kids played with the kids,, and the adults stuck to the adults.
I am very much of the thought that you should be leading children into play ... but not being permanently at the centre of it.
I love it when my children say they're bored,,,, because it gives me the opportunity to tell them to use their imaginations, think up their own games, generate their own fun. In order to develop properly they need to learn to be bored, as boredom leads to development.

Anyway -- sorry for venting all this on here .... there's much more.

So two years after Tommy was born, little Katie came along. My father in law shows only passing interest in her, and it is obvious to everyone that he dotes on Tommy and doesn't treat the two children equally.
My wife and I both think that my inlaws are just about responsible enough adults to take care of our children. We let them take them on days out (they have lost Tommy at a large Sea Life Centre - and Katie at a large toy store) and despite the days out, we still don't feel comfortable about them letting them stay overnight ... despite regular long faces from the In Laws when we say no -- its taken nearly 8 years for us to let our kids stay away over night with them
And last night was the first night.
My Father in Law slept in the same bed as my son !!! and I have gone mental over it. In a separate room from my mother in law and his sister.
His strange behaviour over the past 7 years, his total focus on my son, his hands in places that make me feel uncomfortable enough to tell him to stop, his constant efforts to take Tommy away from group situations and play with him exclusively.....
Them sharing a bed last night (I am not saying anything happened - I asked Tommy about does he remember about private parts, and what he should do if people try to touch them -- and he does remember as he has been taught it at school - and he said nothing like that happened) but it just completely creeps me out. Its just plain not right.
It might be a cultural difference - something that in his head he thinks its fine for a grown man to sleep with a 7 year old (we all know this is not the case)
Anyway -- as soon as I found this out this evening I have been on the phone and read him the riot act. He is now offended that I suggest that his behaviour is inappropriate ("what kind of man do you think I am ???? ,,,, and I said someone who shares a bed with my 7 year old against all the norms of society)

So.... in my situation what would you do ?
My wife has spoken to her mother, and received assurances that the children will sleep together in a separate room tonight.., and I am driving 1st thing tomorrow morning to collect them..
I feel like smacking him in the face .. but will not lower myself to that sort of behaviour in front of the kids.

Am i totally over reacting ? -- I don't think so given my long term displeasure at his weird behaviour towards my son.
How do i work this one out.?
No suggestion that he has touched my son -- but there are too many red flags for me to do nothing
This has now caused a big upset with my wife and an upset with my relationship with my inlaws.
My sons needs and safety are paramount.
Can you give me some advice please?

OP posts:
fortheloveofcrisps · 11/07/2020 21:30

The playing at their age didn't raise any flags but the rest is not acceptable and is very concerning.
I would have collected the kids immediately and never let them have any contact again.

KatieB55 · 11/07/2020 21:33

Always trust your gut instinct - never mind offending your inlaws. Go & collect your kids.

sixswans · 11/07/2020 21:36

follow your instincts. do you know anything about him prior to him marrying your MIL?
at the end of the day, even if it is all innocent, you've repeatedly asked him to modify his behaviour and instead he has escalated it.

BobbieDraper · 11/07/2020 21:36

@IgiveupallthenamesIwantedareg0

He completely ignores the girl, but us climbing into bed with the boy.
You say you had a choice... but it doesn't sound like the boy was the one choosing this. The FIL has been seen touching him in inappropriate areas, after being told to stop that, ignores the female child, and then slept in the same bed as the boy.

I didnt feel the need to respond to the OP saying that my youngest son was always climbing into my parents bed when my kids stayed over there. My oldest has never been a cuddly sleeper, but my youngest will sneak into my bed any chance he gets, and he does the same at my parents. But its not a problem for me because I've seen my parents interacting with my kids (including through a nanny cam at my house when I havent been there so I know they arent putting on an act infront of me). I know it is my young son just wanting a cuddle when he sleeps. It's fine.

I would not be saying "its fine" if I were in the OP's position.

*nanny cam in place for actual babysitter, not because I didnt trust my parents.

1Morewineplease · 11/07/2020 21:36

Yep... go and collect them, now.
The fact that you have posted your concerns on a social media platform speaks volumes.
Trust your instincts.
Good luck.

DontDribbleOnTheCarpet · 11/07/2020 21:47

I'd be in the car and going to get them too. And I think you need to report this- not so much because I think sexual abuse has happened yet, but because you might need advice on how to handle this, and support through the family shitstorm to come.

diddl · 11/07/2020 21:55

"My wife has spoken to her mother, and received assurances that the children will sleep together in a separate room tonight.."

Like fuck is that good enough.

Why the hell did it happen in the first place?

I hope that you are in the car & on the way to collect.

Mummyoflittledragon · 11/07/2020 21:56

I’d also be collecting my children tonight. And as has just been pointed out, he’s Not your Fil. He’s your mils husband.

sapphire54925 · 11/07/2020 22:03

Are u collecting them tonight?

whattimeisitrightnow · 11/07/2020 22:03

@IgiveupallthenamesIwantedareg0
Touching children inappropriately isn’t a sign of abuse, it IS abuse. Did your grandparents also touch your bottom? I thought not.
I can’t stand people who come on to threads like this just to seemingly play Devil’s Advocate and basically say “well actually, a bit of CSA is fine, as long as it isn’t rape.”

Phillymouse · 11/07/2020 22:10

I would be getting the children right now!

As pp have said he's not your fil by blood/marriage

Kick him in the balls on the way out

PicsInRed · 11/07/2020 22:10

He is at a very advanced stage of grooming both your child and the rest of the family.

He is already molesting the child by touching him inappropriately and sleeping in the same bed for clearly nefarious reasons. I'm sorry to say, it may already have progressed to "keeping secrets".

Retrieve your son and get the police involved. They may want a specialist to question your son and a medical examination.

Get in the car, drive through the night if you have to, and collect your son immediately, urgently. This man should never have any kind of access to tiur children again. Sadly for MIL, this means her access will need to be supervised, but that's her problem.

Iminaglasscaseofemotion · 11/07/2020 22:11

I would be going to pick my children up tonight. Being in a different room doesn't stop a predator.

Sunnydayshereatlast · 11/07/2020 22:14

Imo him playing at ds's age is grooming him..

Outoflife80 · 11/07/2020 22:15

Am terrified for the little boy .. honestly

2bazookas · 11/07/2020 22:16

Touching where he's been warned not to, is definitely not fine.
Because of the above warning he must have known very well how bed sharing was unacceptable , yet he did.

What the hell was your mother thinking to allow her 7 yr old GS to spend the night in bed with him. She MUST have known that you would never countenances that. What possible excuse dis SHE offer?

They have both crossed a line quite unforgivably and can never be trusted with child care again.

I am terribly sorry to say this, but if FIL did anything sexual then he will have found some persuasive way to over-ride Tommy's resistance and make sure he doesn't tell.

A 7 yr old cannot be expected to see through or resist the excuses, bribes, threats or emotional manipulation of a trusted adult he loves.

You might need to have a talk with Tommy about  secrets.
Waveysnail · 11/07/2020 22:16

The playing wouldnt bother me BUT you cant and shouldnt ignore your parental instincts. If your unhappy and uncomfortable then listen to yourself

whattimeisitrightnow · 11/07/2020 22:23

@2bazookas is right. Just because you asked DS about what happened doesn’t mean he was able to tell you.

nestisflown · 11/07/2020 22:46

No just nope. I would collect them. Fuck the fallout, I can’t even begin to imagine how your MIL thought this was appropriate. My 1 year old has slept in the same bed as my mother (his grandma) a couple of times but that’s because he was at the age where he didn’t settle on his own in unfamiliar places. And I have no other “weirdness” about my mum looking after my child.

Him sleeping on his own with your son when it would be more natural for the birth grandmother to do so if your son needed company to settle., rings so many alarm bells. In conjunction with everything else you’ve said and your gut instinct, you need to collect your children right away. And reconsider whether you will let your parents in law babysit unsupervised ever again.

Aquamarine1029 · 11/07/2020 23:02

I can’t even begin to imagine how your MIL thought this was appropriate.

Abusers don't just groom their victims, they groom everyone in their lives. Even the op's wife as transferred the trust she has in her mum to this man.

TORDEVAN · 11/07/2020 23:07

After the touching I wouldn't have let my DC be alone with him, or very near him

StuffThem · 11/07/2020 23:11

I really hope the lack of response indicates that the OP is driving right now to go get their children Flowers

GabriellaMontez · 11/07/2020 23:45

Ffs go and get your son. What does your wife think?

Cherrysoup · 11/07/2020 23:55

Fuck my life! And you’re letting your children stay there tonight? Are you completely mad? No way should they be there a 2nd night or ever again! Go get your dc!

Iverunoutofnames · 12/07/2020 00:00

Bum? Nope...