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Advice Needed Re Father In Law

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tinpony91 · 11/07/2020 20:39

Please read my words below -- am I being reasonable - or am i being too protective a father..??

I am fuming, and need to hear what you think about the situation I am finding myself in.... and would like to know what you would do if you were in my shoes.

My wife is Slovakian, and I am English - and in the main our cultures are very similar - we get on very well and have been together for nearly 20 years with hardly a bad word exchanged.

My mother in law married her partner 10 years ago, and we have welcomed him into our family. I got on with him very well until 8 years ago when my wife and I had our first child (a boy called Tommy).
Since Tommy was born my new father in law has completely weirded out over him.
Right from the first time he met Tommy he has been completely smitten, but in my view not a normal way.
He is constantly trying to play with Tommy at the same age level that Tommy is -- when Tommy was a baby my father in law also played with him as a baby,,, when Tommy was 5 he played with him as though he was a five himself. Now Tommy is 7 he plays with him as though he were 7 himself,,, It freaks me out a bit, as my father in law will ignore the other adults in the room, and just play with the kids.
i know this isnt the biggest deal,,, but it freaks me out a lot that a 60 year old man plays like a child and ignores people of his own age. Tommy needs role models, not a 60 year old playmate.
Ok -- theres more....
When my father in law and Tommy are watching TV, my father in law can't keep his hands off my son, his hair, hands, shoulders, and sometimes his bum or thigh. Every time i see this happening I tell my father in law that he shouldn't be touching Tommy there, and he stops. But the next time he comes to visit,,, the same pattern starts again.
Call me unreasonable, but in my upbringing kids were left to play and develop their own imaginations. Yes adults were constantly around, yes they would play games and join in with us. but in the main -- the kids played with the kids,, and the adults stuck to the adults.
I am very much of the thought that you should be leading children into play ... but not being permanently at the centre of it.
I love it when my children say they're bored,,,, because it gives me the opportunity to tell them to use their imaginations, think up their own games, generate their own fun. In order to develop properly they need to learn to be bored, as boredom leads to development.

Anyway -- sorry for venting all this on here .... there's much more.

So two years after Tommy was born, little Katie came along. My father in law shows only passing interest in her, and it is obvious to everyone that he dotes on Tommy and doesn't treat the two children equally.
My wife and I both think that my inlaws are just about responsible enough adults to take care of our children. We let them take them on days out (they have lost Tommy at a large Sea Life Centre - and Katie at a large toy store) and despite the days out, we still don't feel comfortable about them letting them stay overnight ... despite regular long faces from the In Laws when we say no -- its taken nearly 8 years for us to let our kids stay away over night with them
And last night was the first night.
My Father in Law slept in the same bed as my son !!! and I have gone mental over it. In a separate room from my mother in law and his sister.
His strange behaviour over the past 7 years, his total focus on my son, his hands in places that make me feel uncomfortable enough to tell him to stop, his constant efforts to take Tommy away from group situations and play with him exclusively.....
Them sharing a bed last night (I am not saying anything happened - I asked Tommy about does he remember about private parts, and what he should do if people try to touch them -- and he does remember as he has been taught it at school - and he said nothing like that happened) but it just completely creeps me out. Its just plain not right.
It might be a cultural difference - something that in his head he thinks its fine for a grown man to sleep with a 7 year old (we all know this is not the case)
Anyway -- as soon as I found this out this evening I have been on the phone and read him the riot act. He is now offended that I suggest that his behaviour is inappropriate ("what kind of man do you think I am ???? ,,,, and I said someone who shares a bed with my 7 year old against all the norms of society)

So.... in my situation what would you do ?
My wife has spoken to her mother, and received assurances that the children will sleep together in a separate room tonight.., and I am driving 1st thing tomorrow morning to collect them..
I feel like smacking him in the face .. but will not lower myself to that sort of behaviour in front of the kids.

Am i totally over reacting ? -- I don't think so given my long term displeasure at his weird behaviour towards my son.
How do i work this one out.?
No suggestion that he has touched my son -- but there are too many red flags for me to do nothing
This has now caused a big upset with my wife and an upset with my relationship with my inlaws.
My sons needs and safety are paramount.
Can you give me some advice please?

OP posts:
MaxNormal · 12/07/2020 00:04

If you haven't already gone to fetch your child, why not?
He's being groomed in plain sight, that man is pushing all of your boundaries. He's already been openly and releatedly groped by him and now the bed sharing as well. Its obvious that your MIL is enabling this as well.
Protect your son. His life may be about to be ruined if its not already happening.

FortniteBoysMum · 12/07/2020 00:16

I would have been straight there to collect my children and I would not let this manner my child again. I would also consider talking to the police to see if he has a past for this kind of behaviour. There were red flags before hand and having lost each child I would not consider them responsible. Do not let this man be unsupervised around your children and do not trust his wife to provide supervision. He is a predator and is trying to make himself closer to your child. I would ask your child once his home and really drum in that nothing bad will happen to anyone if he tells you what's happened just incase.

Girlsjustwanna · 12/07/2020 00:29

Erm....go get your son.

LaurieFairyCake · 12/07/2020 00:53

He's not your FIL, he only joined your family ten years ago

He is not related to your wife or your son

His behaviour is inappropriate for an unrelated child (even if in their 'culture' it was fine for this type of close relationship)

So NONE of it is justifiable

wizzywig · 12/07/2020 01:53

He sounds vile. Emotional congruence with kids, seeking opportinuties to be alone with your son. Id be tempted to go to the police

Foxinsocks1 · 12/07/2020 02:04

All sorts of alarm bells going off. I hope you’re lack of response to comments means you have gone to get your son.

Ce7913 · 12/07/2020 02:48

Go get your children now. What is wrong with you, letting them stay another night?

What plans/whose feelings are so important that you'd rather risk your son's lifelong wellbeing?

And you're actually reassured that your MIL has said the children will sleep separately?

...The same woman who allowed her 60yr old to single out a 7yr old child to sleep separately with in the first place?

Leaving aside that massive red flag as to her judgement, priorities and trustworthiness - even if you were to believe her, is she going to stay awake all night outside the children's door?

Is she going to ensure they don't spend a second alone with this creep, follow them around constantly to each room, never go to the bathroom etc.?

Furthermore, this guy has repeatedly touched your child inappropriately in the same goddamn room as multiple adults, including her and you all allow him not only contact, but unsupervised and overnight contact?!

  1. Get them out now.
  1. As a matter of urgency, get your son a qualified therapist to assess the situation.

He has been groomed.

He has grown up with a 60yr old man monopolising and favouring him and openly touching him inappropriately in front of other adults and still being allowed not only access, but unsupervised and overnight access to him by his parents.

Having his physical boundaries breached by an adult and that being 'okay' has been normalised for him.

A child relies upon their caregivers to protect and enforce their physical boundaries until they are old enough to do it for themselves. In the meantime, they are looking to you for how to react - whether their autonomy matters and their physical boundaries are inviolable and to protected/defended, or whether some people can violate them and their caregivers will do nothing so they must tolerate it and learn coping mechanisms to manage it.

You as parents handed your children over to this man after repeatedly witnessing him both touching him inappopriately and monopolising him socially. From your son's developmental perspective, you, as trusted primary caregivers, gave this man, his behaviour, and the way he makes your son feel, your stamp of approval. Your son has taken implicit lessons from that that you owe it to him to undo.

  1. Read "Protecting the gift" by Gavin de Becker, also as a matter of urgency.
  1. Read up on the many ways that you as parents can act to either safeguard and promote the physical autonomy of your children, or blur and undermine their autonomy and boundaries.
  1. Don't allow your children around this man, ever again.
whattimeisitrightnow · 12/07/2020 07:35

Excellent post @Ce7913. You summarised everything wrong with this better than I could.

tinpony91 · 12/07/2020 08:39

i went and picked my kid up
Big family fall out .
Thank you for all your replies

OP posts:
onalongsabbatical · 12/07/2020 08:44

You did the right thing. Yes, there will be fall out. But you did the RIGHT THING. So the fall out can be handled OP. Very relieved that you went and got him. What about the little one, your daughter? Not clear where she is now?

Foxinsocks1 · 12/07/2020 08:45

Well done. You’ve protected your child, the fallout is worth it even though shit. Always listen to your gut

Muppetry76 · 12/07/2020 08:46

@tinpony91 I know I won't be the only one to say I think you did the right thing, despite the fall-out. Your ds is your absolute priority.

Andwoooshtheyweregone · 12/07/2020 08:52

Don’t let him stay tonight go and get the straight away.

Andwoooshtheyweregone · 12/07/2020 08:53

Ah just saw update. You did the right thing. I wouldn’t allow contact again if you MUST see them never ever leave your children alone with him. Ever.

GNfan · 12/07/2020 08:55

You did absolutely the right thing.

Piffle11 · 12/07/2020 08:58

This makes me feel very uncomfortable just reading it! Do not let your child stay anywhere near this man unsupervised. This is NOT normal behaviour. Our family set up is similar to yours – MIL married to her second DH for 10+ years – and I had serious concerns about her DH. In our case, he was a bully towards our child. Whenever other people were around, he was the perfect grandfather: when it was just the three of them, he was goady and mean. MIL always sided with her DH. So we stopped them having him. I think it is very off that your MIL allowed her DH to sleep in the same bed as her grandson, So I don’t think her being there is any comfort.

Piffle11 · 12/07/2020 08:59

You have definitely done the right thing. Your child needs you to fight for him – do not give in to the emotional blackmail that will no doubt follow.

MaxNormal · 12/07/2020 09:02

@tinpony91 I'm so pleased to read that. You've done the right thing. I'm sorry there's been a big fallout and I hope your wife is onside.

LuaDipa · 12/07/2020 09:02

You did the right thing. I would genuinely cut contact over this.

MsTSwift · 12/07/2020 09:08

Some things are worth dying in a ditch over relationship wise this is obviously one

TheMandalorian · 12/07/2020 09:08

Huge red flags. I would never let him alone with either child for even a minute again. I would seek some professional advice from agents such as childline or even social services. I hope your wife is on board with your concerns.
Family fall out may well be for the best.
Try not to let your son think any of it is his fault.
Best wishes.

whattimeisitrightnow · 12/07/2020 09:08

Thank god. Well done for putting your children first. A family fall out is a million times better than the alternative.
I still think you need to involve Social Services. You all saw FIL groping your son, and that was in front of you. You need a specialist to ask your son (and maybe your daughter, too, to be on the safe side) questions as they will know how to do it sensitively and what sort of manipulations he may have been subject to. They may also be able to help arrange counselling for him.
I’d also consider reporting FIL to the police. Just tell them what you wrote here: you saw FIL groping DS’s bum and thighs on numerous occasions. I think they’ll take this quite seriously.

PicsInRed · 12/07/2020 09:12

@tinpony91

i went and picked my kid up Big family fall out . Thank you for all your replies
Well done.

I would absolutely speak with the police as you need this at the very least formally documented as a concern in case you marriage breaks down and there are any custody issues.

It sounds like your wife is in the "FOG" and you will have to do the heavy lifting on this.

Well done. Keep going. 💐💐💐

SpeedofaSloth · 12/07/2020 09:14

Well done for acting on your instincts, OP Flowers

Nottherealslimshady · 12/07/2020 09:15

God I'd be fuming and disgusted. Dont let them stay there, you dont trust him surely? You need to protect your son. I dont think acceptable at all for children to sleep in bed with adults that aren't their parents.

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