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AIBU?

To think Monica and Chandler were a much better couple

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Lostinbooksandcoffee · 11/07/2020 19:12

Than Ross and Rachel?

I'm currently rewatching Friends on Netflix.
Ross was possessive and jealous. He couldn't stand when Rachel was successful in her new career and wanted everything about him, even with his own sister. She could do so much better and I still hate the fact she ended up with him, despite having a child together. They didn't suit each other at all and were complete opposite. Plus the whole 'we were on a break' thing was just ridiculous.

Monica and Chandler, however, were such a natural couple. He really grew up when he got with her. They loved each other despite their differences and quirks. If anything, they seemed to be better as a couple because of them. I loved them together.

Yes, I'm aware they're just characters in a TV show but amuse me.

YABU - Ross and Rachel were a much better couple

YANBU - Monica and Chandler had the best relationship

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OnlyFoolsnMothers · 11/07/2020 21:45

I thought Charlie seemed more into joey than Ross- tbh she was a thoroughly unpleasant character !

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HowLongCanICallitBabyWeight · 11/07/2020 21:58

Phoebe and Mike for the win

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BitOfFun · 11/07/2020 22:07

Love it, @bookmum08 Grin

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Starbuggy · 11/07/2020 22:19

I spent a significant amount of my teenage years having extremely heated online debates about this topic.

And I will absolutely still battle to the death to argue Chandler and Monica are far and away the best Friends couple!

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VenusTiger · 11/07/2020 22:44

I think you're being a bit hard on Ross, as a pp mentioned, he was selfless and very generous with all his friends, Phoebe's bike - Rachel's ribs (missed tv app), helped Joey impress Charlie, helped Monica out with money - he was also very generous in his relationship with Rachel: he didn't come over as controlling I don't think, it was insecurity about his marriage breakdown with his only gf and wife, Carol that changed him - he was willing to let Rachel take his daughter to the other side of the world just for a job - the more you watch it, the more you realise I guess. I hated him first time I ever watched Friends when I was a teenager, but now when I rewatch, I find him really funny: his facial expressions (I've seen cuts where he seems to have Matt, Lisa and Jen in stitches all the time) I used to have a favourite but I like them all now - I do agree though with a pp that Pheobe can be a bit nasty sometimes, a bit snappy and hard, but then she was supposed to have an edge wasn't she.

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BernadetteRostankowskiWolowitz · 11/07/2020 22:51

What surprised me, watching it back recently, was how little time R&R were actually together for during the whole run.

A short courtship S2 (possibly running into S3), a smidge of a thing after the Beach House, a potential but not actual hook up in Vegas, then a whoopsie which resulted in Emma. Oh - and what should have been that one night of goodbye sex.

She gave up everything for a man she only date briefly 8 years prior, who was a jealous boyfriend, a crap father....

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Andthewinnerislucky · 11/07/2020 23:08

I actually think Phoebe wasn't bad. She was one of my favourite characters. I think she was seen as the 'annoying one' - you know 'the one who manages to make things harder for everybody else by "being vegan" or was it vegetarian, ethical about different things, refused to take a large amount of money from a claims company because she didn't earn it or something and gave it away, became a surrogate for her long lost stepbrother by a father she never met, immediately stopped dating a policeman who shot a bird, she's the one who would be called "woke" now or SJW and some people would find annoying.

She had "weird" friends with "weird" lifestyles. Her friends didn't have the same strong beliefs and convictions she had and thought hers to be a bit too out there and woo. Her inconvenient principles and alternative lifestyle didn't endear some to her but it still made her the one who would stand up for unfair treatment especially with her friends (eg: On her behalf, Phoebe demanded the grieving and singing widow paid Monica for her services regardless and shouldn't make her feel guilty for asking for her well deserved payment).

I think though the writers decided to make her a bit more "likeable" or "realistic" (people complained she was too "goody-two shoes"?) and entertaining by making her more edgy and a hypocrite - eg, working for the corporation and system she claims to hate because she needs the money and lying to her friends about it, etc.

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VenusTiger · 11/07/2020 23:18

@Tappering a lot of that post isn't actually accurate.

The thing with Ross is that he's actually a v sinister character. sinister, no, he's selfless If you take his relationship with Rachel in isolation, it's a good sketch of an abusive, controlling man. He adores her, pines over her for years until he's obsessed. he didn't think he was good enough for her and C & J talk him into moving on, that's when he met Julie and Rachel pines over him, he then leaves Rachel to be with her and C&J start making a pros and cons list which Ross gets blamed for When he finally gets into a relationship with her he becomes obsessive and controlling. he becomes jealous, insecure and unstable and talks to Monica about it, she puts him straight He's planned their life together, their children's names, where they'll live yes, he tells her all of this, he doesn't control her behind her back, he's open with her about his dreams

He tells her what to wear no he doesn't with a view to making sure that she's not attractive to other men he is jealous of Mark, who J confirmed only offered her a job because he wants sex from her - which turned out to be true as Mark said he always fancied her when her and Ross split up - Mark even started dating a Rachel look-alike at Bloomingdales (on her first day in her new job he tells her to wear trousers and a high neckline). that was called humour He implies she only gets the new job because Mark wants to have sex with her. see above He goes to her work and makes a scene on several occasions once , he phones up and bothers her jealous and insecure about Mark fancying her, he clearly has trust issues , he accompanies her on work trips he went to one lecture to stop her going with Mark and then falls asleep, he belittles her job every character on Friends belittles Ross' career, all the time, constantly , he sulks over her ex partners ? , he hates her working overtime and tries to stop her doing her job he moaned at her about it, he didn't try to stop her. He then shags somebody else and lies about it he wanted to tell her but C&J talked him out of it, so he decided it should come from him not as gossip , deliberately trying to keep it from her. When confronted about it he says he only did it because he though she was sleeping with Mark no he didn't, he said he thought there was no relationship left , making it her fault he cheated. He never accepts responsibility for it, even lying about it (18 pages front and back, he never read them and lies about it in order to get her back into bed). he dumped Pheobe's friend at 5am and Rachel, more controlling imo, wanted him to agree to being responsible for the break up

He tells Carol Rachel cheated on him with Mark he told her they were interested in eachother. Even apart he controls her. Doesn't tell her they're married he wanted an annulment not divorce but didn't realise he need Rachel present , let's her move in with him and has a baby with her but starts hiding messages from men who call wanting to date her because Rachel requested Ross not to date ANYONE during and after pregnancy and wanted to get back together, but after J "proposed" she didn't bother to tell Ross she'd moved on from the idea, she even thought there was a spark that evening but still gave her number to some random. Drags another unstable woman to the apartment and humiliates her in order to make Rachel feel bad.

Ross was an absolute fool in love with an image of Rachel that could do no wrong and he only had experience with one other woman before dating her - he was learning on the job. I think this post is way off the mark as regards Ross' character - he was not a vindictive man at all, he was just lost and naive. I've watched Friends a few times and I think this poster either saw it once or just doesn't get the character at all.

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VenusTiger · 11/07/2020 23:21

that Rachel line should read:

*he then leaves Julie to be with Rachel and C&J start making a pros and cons list...

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shadyzadie · 12/07/2020 07:31

Not getting the Phoebe hate and the posters saying she was manipulative and nasty at all!

I always thought she was pretty cleverly written. She starts off as a stereotypical new age, hippy dippy character - so far, so one-dimensional. Then, as the series goes, on we learn that she was a homeless teenager living on the streets in New York because her mother committed suicide. That's where she gets her edge from and can flip from nice Phoebe to someone much tougher.

I always liked that juxtaposition and how that tougher side of her character would come out when her friends were acting a bit spoilt and indulged, or when kick ass Phoebe was needed to get the job done!

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AlexisCarringtonColbyDexter · 12/07/2020 08:01

I dont get the Phoebe hate either- she was the only one who had zero family support, literally noone to have her back. Sure the others had somewhat dysfunctional families but at least they had families- they wouldnt see them ending up homeless as she did at one point.
Of course your're going to toughen up after that, you arent going to be the same person as someone who had a rich mum and dad who could afford boats etc like rachel for example.

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BobFleming · 12/07/2020 08:26

I couldn’t stand Phoebe either. Only because in rl, I know I’d be irritated by anyone ditzy who dressed like a kids’ tv presenter.

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Letsdoanamechangeagain · 12/07/2020 09:32

I never understand why Ross and Rachel were a couple. They had NOTHING in common. What did they talk about on their dates?

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LadyPrigsbottom · 12/07/2020 09:43

YANBU, but I thought this was quite obvious. Ross and Rachel are apart more than they are together and even at the end of the last series, they're just giving things a go aren't they? Not getting married or sailing off into the sunset.

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Tappering · 12/07/2020 12:51

@VenusTiger I don't agree that it's inaccurate - it's all perception so I don't think that taking a view on "accuracy" is possible. You disagree with it - fair enough, but it doesn't mean that you're right and the original poster is wrong, in the same way that she could be wrong and you could be right. We're all free to take our own views.

FYI if I recall correctly the original poster was very familiar with Friends. It was her perception of the character.

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aSofaNearYou · 12/07/2020 13:59

I went through years of thinking Ross was the worst, and whilst I do think he came across as very controlling and jealous and some of his attitudes were awful (such as in the male nanny episode), I actually felt sorry for him for the first time watching it recently. The way Carol treated him was appalling and she was so open and callous about cutting him out of Ben's life, giving him Susan's surname etc. Similarly, as much as I agree with everyone that it's sad Rachel gave up a career opportunity to be with Ross, I did always think it was pretty harsh that he was just expected to go along with her moving to a different continent with Emma, and it was only ever briefly mentioned as a potential issue. I think a lot of that had a lot to do with the children in the series being a bit of an afterthought/plot device for the writers, but objectively he was dealt a very bad hand as a dad.

I still wish they had gone with him following her to Paris to support her pursuing her dream, I think it would have showed the much needed growth to make it a good thing that they were back together.

All that said, Ross was by a long way the funniest character on the show. David Schwimmer's performance was fantastic.

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VenusTiger · 12/07/2020 14:40

@Tappering well of course, I haven't said the poster is wrong and that I'm right, I said I think the poster is way off the mark. Tbf though, there are inaccuracies, it says several times a fair amount, where such incidents only happened the once.

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Tappering · 12/07/2020 14:45

I agree about Carol - it wasn't even funny the way she treated him.

Although I dislike the character, I think David Schwimmer is a very good actor.

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aSofaNearYou · 12/07/2020 15:05

who was a jealous boyfriend, a crap father

As much as I did think he was a jealous boyfriend, I don't think he was necessarily a crap father. I think most of his relationship with Ben played out offscreen, in the same way Phoebe is rarely seen with Mike even after they were married. The show just focused primarily on their interactions as friends.

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BernadetteRostankowskiWolowitz · 12/07/2020 16:09

He absoloutley was a crap father.

His son wasn't at his wedding to Emily.
We never saw or had it mentioned that he met Emma. We never saw him at a single Christmas.
Rachel moved in when pregnant with Emma and took the second bedroom (which should have been Bens)
When Rachel said she was moving to Paris Ross was all about how he wouldn't see her every day. No issue at all with Emma being on a different continent.

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OnlyFoolsnMothers · 12/07/2020 16:11

BernadetteRostankowskiWolowitz but he also told Emily he wouldn’t move to London because of Ben

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LaurieMarlow · 12/07/2020 16:15

I’m pretty sure that the lack of visibility of Ben in Ross’s life was more to do with the producers not wanting the hassle of managing child actors, rather than them making a point about Ross as a parent. Grin

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BobbinThreadbare123 · 12/07/2020 16:39

I liked Pete and Monica

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Ohtherewearethen · 12/07/2020 18:47

I too have researched it all and I was surprised by how badly if has aged. The 'jokes' about the guys being 'gay' and Monica being so hugely fat when she actually wasn't unusually huge. I used to really love it and while I still laughed at it it certainly wouldn't have the following it has if it were made now.
Ross was a knob, really annoying but I think brilliantly played by David Schwimmer.
Phoebe was an absolute cow though. Actively spiteful and just plain nasty. I think it's unrealistic that she would have stayed part of their group because she was so horrid to them all. She didn't add anything to the group at all. I can't think of any benefit to being friends with her.

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vanillandhoney · 12/07/2020 18:56

@BobbinThreadbare123

I liked Pete and Monica

Noooo!

Pete was awful. Selfish and also slightly mysoginistic...really disliked him as a character and I feel the whole storyline was forced - I actually think the money thing would have made his character better suited to Rachel.
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