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To ask what you think of Eastern Europeans living in the UK?

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Bananasinpjs7 · 11/07/2020 13:19

I have lived in the UK for almost 10 years which is pretty much a 1/3 of my life. I never thought I’d stay this long but met my partner here and decided to build a career in an industry that we don’t really have in my home country... yet.
I’m trying my best... language wise I think I’m pretty fluent. English is the language I speak 95% of the time.
I try to fit in as much as possible, learn as much as I can about the UK to understand it’s history and culture...
But I feel extremely left out ... I feel people look at me and think ‘she is from eastern eu’ as if it has some sort of stigma. It feels like if you are from somewhere glamorous like France or Scandinavian countries you are much more accepted... I’m so tired of constantly feeling like this

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OnlyFoolsnMothers · 16/07/2020 12:16

Who cares if they're non-Christian? If they respect our country values, our Constitution etc then it doesn't really matter may want to read up on Poland’s “welcoming” of Syrian refugees!

WhatifIfeellikeacat · 16/07/2020 12:16

but if they're Muslim - that can be a very big problem

Depends on a country I guess. Are there many Muslim countries tolerant to Christians?
I haven't researched this topic either way so don't know.

WhatifIfeellikeacat · 16/07/2020 12:20

Far right tendencies appear to be more prevalent in Eastern Europe, than they are in Western Europe - or is that a lie made up by the Western press
More than in Sweden or Germany?

To be honest, I haven't researched it so can't compare.

formerbabe · 16/07/2020 12:20

I really struggle to believe that if hundreds of thousands of British people of varying religions and ethnicities migrated to an EE country either working or on benefits, using their public services etc that they'd be given a warm welcome by everyone there..I just don't think it would happen. I might be wrong.

TazSyd · 16/07/2020 12:20

Are Jewish people welcome in Eastern Europe?

Not just as wealthy tourists, spending money in the economy as they visit the countries their ancestors were ethnically cleansed from, but to live, work and openly practise their religion and culture?

TazSyd · 16/07/2020 12:21

Depends on a country I guess. Are there many Muslim countries tolerant to Christians?
I haven't researched this topic either way so don't know.

British Muslims are British and Britain is tolerant towards Christians.

OnlyFoolsnMothers · 16/07/2020 12:26

Tbh no country loves and welcomes immigrants, of any kind. The U.K. is one of the better ones, not perfect.

CatsArePeople · 16/07/2020 12:28

Are Jewish people welcome in Eastern Europe?

Why shouldn't they be welcome? They certainly are.
With Muslims is a slightly different issue. EE countries look at the Western countries and see that some communities do not integrate very well. That's why there is fear - that certain problems will be imported.

TazSyd · 16/07/2020 12:29

@OnlyFoolsnMothers

I think Western countries do welcome immigrants, if they are a benefit to the economy (not here to claim benefits), integrate and there isn’t a huge volume of immigrants at any one time.

TazSyd · 16/07/2020 12:30

EE countries look at the Western countries and see that some communities do not integrate very well

Can you explain what you mean by this?

TazSyd · 16/07/2020 12:32

*Are Jewish people welcome in Eastern Europe?

Why shouldn't they be welcome?*

Because their ancestors were regularly subjected to pogroms and then ethnically cleansed from Eastern Europe. In c20. In the U.K. we learn about this in history at school.

WhatifIfeellikeacat · 16/07/2020 12:34

Are Jewish people welcome in Eastern Europe? Confused

Many Jewish people LIVE in EE just like they live in other parts of Europe. Remember, EE isn't one country.

TazSyd · 16/07/2020 12:38

“In Eastern Europe, a once large and vibrant Jewish population has nearly disappeared. DellaPergola estimates that there were 3.4 million Jews in the European portions of the Soviet Union as of 1939. Many were killed in the Holocaust, and others moved to Israel or elsewhere. Today, a tiny fraction of the former Soviet republics’ population – an estimated 310,000 people – are Jews.

Similar trends have occurred in Eastern European countries that were outside the USSR, including Poland, Hungary, Romania and several other nations. Collectively, they were home to about 4.7 million Jews in 1939, but now there are probably fewer than 100,000 Jews in all these countries combined.“

www.pewresearch.org/fact-tank/2015/02/09/europes-jewish-population/

formerbabe · 16/07/2020 12:38

With Muslims is a slightly different issue. EE countries look at the Western countries and see that some communities do not integrate very well. That's why there is fear - that certain problems will be imported

So you're justifying racism in EE countries? Am I right?

ComeOnBabyPopMyBubble · 16/07/2020 12:48

These statistics are quite old(2014)and I can't really find an updated one.

And while it's obviously nowhere near a million, it isn't just white Christian people that go work ,live ,study in Romania.

To ask what you think of Eastern Europeans living in the UK?
TazSyd · 16/07/2020 12:50

@WhatifIfeellikeacat

I don’t class “many” as a 90% and 98% reduction in population, over the last 80 years.

formerbabe · 16/07/2020 12:54

I've heard, not sure how true it is, that often people from non EU countries who wish to come to the UK but would find it difficult, migrate to EE countries in an attempt to get an EU passport therefore giving them access to the UK.

CatsArePeople · 16/07/2020 12:56

So you're justifying racism in EE countries? Am I right?

i'm not justifying, just admitting it exists. Do not forget that EE countries were held back for half a century by a totalitarian regime. People did not get to enjoy the same rights, freedoms, and values of the "first world" it will take several generations to catch up.

formerbabe · 16/07/2020 13:00

i'm not justifying, just admitting it exists. Do not forget that EE countries were held back for half a century by a totalitarian regime. People did not get to enjoy the same rights, freedoms, and values of the "first world" it will take several generations to catch up

Meanwhile my family will just put up with racist abuse until then...

WhatifIfeellikeacat · 16/07/2020 13:01

TazSyd, Tsarist Russia and then the Soviet Union have killed millions and millions of their own people as well. Read about the Red Terror, for example. All those inhuman tortures against their own people. It's evil, is it not? Then big famines, gulags, war and it well continued after the WWII. It was a big evil destroying machine.
And if you want to know whether Jewish people are welcome in EE then I would suggest checking the population country by country.

TazSyd · 16/07/2020 13:06

@CatsArePeople

What do you mean by “don’t integrate very well”? What problems do you think are being imported?

Some Brits might say that the problems of racism and anti semitism are being imported from Eastern Europe. But in your opinion, that’s ok, they should have to put up with that for several generations?

My understanding from @WhatifIfeellikeacat and @catsarepeople posts, is that they don’t class non white, non Christian Brits as British.

TazSyd · 16/07/2020 13:09

“The denial of the Holocaust takes many forms, from simply ignoring obvious facts by manipulating the sources, through minimizing the dimensions of genocide, to trivializing and rationalizing genocide by analogy and claiming that it is an acceptable example of the kinds of things that happen in wartime.”

WhatifIfeellikeacat · 16/07/2020 13:09

My understanding from @WhatifIfeellikeacat and @catsarepeople posts, is that they don’t class non white, non Christian Brits as British

Where did I say it?

CatsArePeople · 16/07/2020 13:10

I've heard, not sure how true it is, that often people from non EU countries who wish to come to the UK but would find it difficult, migrate to EE countries in an attempt to get an EU passport therefore giving them access to the UK.
In my country is more difficult for a foreigner to obtain citizenship than in UK or USA. So it isn't exactly true. However, sham marriages and gaining spousal rights to move within the EU - that is very true.

ComeOnBabyPopMyBubble · 16/07/2020 13:10

My understanding from @WhatifIfeellikeacat and @catsarepeople posts, is that they don’t class non white, non Christian Brits as British.

Where did you even get that from?

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