Sick of being called Karen

[frog22]

Listening to Radio 4 and Caroline Hirons is on and she has already used the term Karen to refer to her followers. I'm just sick of it. It's as bad as calling a woman the B word or C word!

Why would she do it? Why do women do it to other women?

I've never heard this term being used in real life anyway. Isn't it basically just a social media meme?

It has carried over to the real world, certainly at my dd's school anyway.

It has carried over to the real world, certainly at my dd's school anyway

Ah, the joys of not yet having teenage kids

Ah, the joys of not yet having teenage kids

For sure 😂 I guess at least my dd now knows not to use the term Karen after a million or so discussions about it.

I guess you could say #notallwomen. The irony. All those posts belittling men who say not all men and now there's the out rage of not all women but it's ok because men are wose.

If you don't want to be called a Karen don't act like one.

It's now just become an abusive term to be directed at women. Any women. Who says anything at all. I saw comments on the independent article about jack Monroe (re Walliams) calling her Karen.

But the point is, why use the name at all?? Quite a few women who are called Karen have said they hate the way their name has been turned into an insult.

It's right to call out the bad behaviour. If a woman has behaved in a racist way, call her out on that behaviour. Why this attachment to the name Karen? It's completely possible to condemn the behaviour without using an actual name as an insult.

Yeah what it means is bitch. Handy way to avoid using a slut while denigrating women. See also TERF.

Oh god. Slur not slut. Although apt in a conversation about denigrating women where there’s no male equivalent.

Because the demographic most likely to be called Karen are white middle aged US/UK citizens.

Although the original Karen was an anti vaxxer of Chinese heritage.

According to my teens, Chad is the male equivalent. Although imo it's used much more narrowly.

@KilljoysDutch the only one not getting the irony here is you. All women are being called a 'Karen' regardless of their attitude when voicing an opinion or making a complaint. Saying 'just don't be a Karen' may as well say 'just don't be a woman with a contrary opinion'.

Seems to be the same bores moaning about cancel culture who are now moaning about 'Karen'.

Is it Chad or Brad that incels call sexually successful men?

I don’t have a name for people I want to shut down. Attractive men or middle aged women. But then I’m not inadequate.

@Binterested yes it is.

Interestingly Karen's original growth was fuelled by people taking the piss out of incels. So the first Karen was like I say a vociferous anti vaxxer and her name was actually Karen, so it began being used to refer to women with big opinions and not much knowledge. Then some incel used it to refer to his wife screwing him over in a divorce, all the memesters jumped on it as part of that "she took the fucking kids" thing ie laughing at incels hating karens. At this point Karen was still a middle aged woman but she was a middle aged woman who had got one over on a bitter man. Hence Karen and Chad were both just enemies of incels at this point ie confident successful people.

However a meme about a confident woman who pisses off incels could never last, and so when the whole barbecue Becky thing started, although originally a number of different names were used for white women calling cops on black men, the confident successful Karen became subsumed into it.

I saw a woman called a Karen because she wrote on a company facebook page that she'd had money taken out of her account weeks ago but not received the item. Thank goodness she was put in her place by a man for such outrageous behaviour. That'll teach her Have seen it used like that a few times.

So basically what started off as a bunch of meme generating kids laughing at sexually inadequate slightly older men men was taken over by said slightly older men (the po faced millennials) as a way of "calling out" the white middle class middle aged women who previously had just "took their fucking kids" but who now, handily, can be blamed for the entire spectrum of systemic racism thanks to footage of a few of them on the phone to the police, and now, thanks to the base level of enthusiasm that there is at all times in all societies to shut women up, it's rapidly widening to include any woman with an opinion about anything.

knowyourmeme.com/memes/karen

Seems to be the same bores moaning about cancel culture who are now moaning about 'Karen'.

Gosh yes, those women are such bores because they won't simply won't shut up,and submit to the allegedly superior uniform woke think. 🐑

Didn't the original Karen work in accounts? I recall that was the original put down that this middle aged ordinary woman worked in an office and that every office had "one."

But there never appeared to be an Ian from finance mentioned, it was only Karen with all her suburban, boring normality that was the butt of the jokes.

From KYM

'While it's unclear where exactly "Karen" began seeing use as a pejorative character, it perhaps started with the Oh My God, Karen, You Can’t Just Ask Someone Why They're White meme from Mean Girls. Others believe that the popularity of the name may come from the character Karen from the 1989 gangster film Goodfellas.'

'Some believe that usage of the name as a perjorative stems from the Dane Cook standup comedy routine "The Friend That Nobody Like," which first appeared on the album Retaliation, released on July 26th, 2005 and recorded 2004. In the routine, Cook says:'

So I'm hangin' out with all of my buddies, and uh, I realize something, I realize something. Think of the group of people you've known the longest in your life. Think of the group of friends you've hung out with the most, maybe you're all here tonight. And this is what I realized, I had an epiphany, and here it is, right here: There is one person, in every group of friends, that nobody fucking likes. You basically keep them there, to hate their guts. When that person is not around the rest of your little base camp, your hobby, is cutting that person down.

Example: "Karen, is always a douchebag."

Every group has a Karen and she is always a bag of douche.
And when she's not around, you just look at each other and say,
"God, Karen, she's such a douchebag!"

Hello My 14 son told me that along time ago there was a battle between the men and women and the men were victorious this Is where sexism is deprived from and the battle was named the battle of karenshire so the word Karen is meaning weakness of women when he told me this i beat his ass lol gotta show him women are strong

@KarenMcKaren

Seems to be the same bores moaning about cancel culture who are now moaning about 'Karen'.

Gosh yes, those women are such bores because they won't simply won't shut up,and submit to the allegedly superior uniform woke think. 🐑

Damn woke people with their hating racists superior thinking. We all need to be more like the people who proudly call themselves "non-woke" and think they're obviously superior but can't see the irony.

It’s not something that I’d personally say but I have heard some women complaining that it’s as bad as the N word, it is NOT.

@MonkeyToesOfDoom what you've posted is like about a quarter of the article and doesn't even deal with how it's come into popular use.

Damn woke people with their hating racists superior thinking.

Yes, obviously those who are anti-wokerati obviously don't hate racists , that's just a 'woke' thing.

'Woke' might be the most ironic term out there, they are some of the most narrow-minded group of people in society there right now.