Sick of being called Karen

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Listening to Radio 4 and Caroline Hirons is on and she has already used the term Karen to refer to her followers. I'm just sick of it. It's as bad as calling a woman the B word or C word!

Why would she do it? Why do women do it to other women?

@Hopoindown31

It was a comment about the general term of women being called Karen to other them and put them in their place.

Or it is to highlight the massively entitled, unreasonable and often discriminatory behaviour of a significant group of white middle class women in the US? The videos I've seen of "Karen's" have been horrendous. Grown women having tantrums, hurling abuse, lying to police, refusing to comply with simple rules to protect public health, harrassing others going about their lawful business and racially profiling people.

Playing the sexism card here to protect a massively privileged group of people is just reactionary crap. Bad behaviour is bad behaviour regardless of the person's sex.

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Yes it is inglory. I agree. Why do women have to call other women names? It’s very unnecessary. If anyone ever said it to me I would call them out.

It’s the general use of a term of abuse against women that’s wrong here. Call out poor behaviour as not acceptable but don’t attach it to a name.

Or it is to highlight the massively entitled, unreasonable and often discriminatory behaviour of a significant group of white middle class women in the US? The videos I've seen of "Karen's" have been horrendous. Grown women having tantrums, hurling abuse, lying to police, refusing to comply with simple rules to protect public health, harrassing others going about their lawful business and racially profiling people.

See are we talking about the above behaviour or complaining about a sausage?

Obviously no one is going to defend the above behaviour, plenty of white women are racist as are plenty of white men.

It is my name and I hate the way it is being used too. I am a person not a meme.

@Hopoindown31 I completely agree however I'm just not sure those who would be labelling the "Karen" would agree on what constitutes being entitled, do you?

Not sure what you are trying to say here? I can't speak for other people obviously. But if your reaction to poor service is to immediately raise your voice, hurl abuse and threats then you get what you deserve.

This is not a hill that feminists want to die on.

Would you like to speak to the manager?? 😂

It’s the general use of a term of abuse against women that’s wrong here. Call out poor behaviour as not acceptable but don’t attach it to a name.

That's my feeling it reminds me of slut, slag etc.

@slipperywhensparticus

how do you think I feel? ITS MY ACTUAL FUCKING NAME

everytime I disagree with something oh your such a KAREN everytime I need to talk to a higher up WOW I've got a KAREN when I complain apparently I'm unreasonable about being teased about being called a Karen because it is my name and I should be "used to it by now"

I'm considering changing my name

That is appalling and I'd hate it, if that is your so-called friends then I think it's time to be selective about who you spend time with. If it's at work then a complaint to HR would be justified.

See are we talking about the above behaviour or complaining about a sausage?

Are we talking about real, recorded behaviour labelled as 'Karen' or a hypothetical scenario made up by an MN poster on this thread?

@Hopoindown31 what are you confused about? Do you think the only people being referred to as Karen's are those that behave as you described? But if your reaction to poor service is to immediately raise your voice, hurl abuse and threats then you get what you deserve.

I thought we were talking about the OP & the fact a blogger called her fans "Karen's" so all her fans are displaying the below behaviour. massively entitled, unreasonable and often discriminatory behaviour of a significant group of white middle class women in the US?

That's odd.

@Hopoindown31 what are you confused about? Do you think the only people being referred to as Karen's are those that behave as you described?

I think there are a lot of privileged people reacting against being called out. It is no different to the reactions against anti-racism.

Like I said, the sausage scenario was hypothetical, the plethora of YouTube videos are not.

I would be uncomfortable having fans like that unless I was maybe Trump..

I actually said to my husband this morning “do you get what the Karen thing is?” he actually tried to google what it meant and we were still none the wiser. At one point I thought it was because someone acted like Karen out of out numbered and just spoke their mind, then I assumed it had come from a funny meme or something and we just aren’t down with the kids mid 30s! I’m still not sure where it has come from or what it actually means?

Of course it's sexist. I know there's supposedly a male equivalent (Chad, I think?), but it hasn't become a thing in nearly the same way. It didn't start out as a sexist term, no, but that's what it's become. It's a way of shutting down middle aged women.

If a woman is behaving badly (and there are obviously a lot of women that do), they absolutely should be called out on it, but why pick an actual name? It's not nice for any woman named Karen, and it's also regularly used in a way that is sexist.

So many posters seem to think that if we complain about women being called Karen means that we condone women behaving badly. That's not true. If a woman behaves badly, call her out on it, but what's the problem with using her actual name?

It’s offensive to me because it’s used to dismiss, belittle and shut down middle aged, white, working class women.

I think there are a lot of privileged people reacting against being called out. It is no different to the reactions against anti-racism

Absolutely call out racism, being called a racist is surely sufficient?

I think I must be living under a rock as the first I even heard of this was on MN about 3 weeks ago... I have literally never heard anyone in real life use this towards anyone else. Is it really that common?

But I imagine it'll be the kind of thing that will get old very quickly. It's not very funny or clever and it must be really irritating if you name is actually Karen. Continued eye rolling is perhaps the way to go.

Like we needed another derogatory word aimed specifically at women

I'm fed up with misogynist ageist slurs.

If you want to call out someone, use your words properly instead of resorting to a lazy insults.

I feel so, so sorry for people who actually are called Karen.

It must be properly miserable.

So call her out on it on her platform - if she makes a living off social media, you can question her about it.

but why can't a women ask for better service/refund without being called any name

Because she's a middle aged woman silly! Middle aged women are meant to sit down and shut the fck up apparently! Its fine for young attractive women to complain about crap service and its fine for men of all ages (and all appearances) to complain about crap service but a middle aged woman? and everyone loses their shit. Its pathetic, misogynistic, bollocks.

@Itsjustabitofbanter

Would you like to speak to the manager?? 😂

Not if they are like you, no.