Is anyone else boycotting Tesco's for giving £80,000 to Mermaids?

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Just that really... I was shocked, especially given all the news coverage there has been about the issues recently. I would have expected them to give it to an uncontroversial charity at the very least - and ideally one that most of their customers would like to support

I havent read all the thread so sorry if this has been covered, I didnt know that mermaids do so i googled it, they support transgenders how is that a bad thing? Im confused?

You have not engaged with the stated concerns

Did you miss the bit where people have repeatedly said there's no point in getting a debate, as it's like trying to have one with the religious zealot stood in the middle of town with their sandwich board and rantings?
Or is it still getting ignored?

I don't have a Tescos nearby to boycott, but otherwise I would be. The things I've seen about Mermaids, what they encourage, how the push for medical transitions asap, the awful instance that 'girls are like x, boys are like y' boxes they encourage young people to fit into, it's all horrifying. Add in the Tavistock report and it's a clusterfuck in the making.

I'm not anti-trans. Gender dysphoria is a real, but rare condition. However, there is an uprising of young children being brainwashed by those who should know better that if they don't fit into certain stereotypical 'gender boxes' that being trans or 'non-binary' is the way forward, rather than exploring their differences and accepting they are still 'normal' in their own skin. A lot of autistic and gay erasure going on under the surface. Cannot support any sort of 'charity' that wants to help medicate and perform surgery on children, or companies that promote them.

Lemonade genuinely interested to hear what has been said here that's transphobic.

Ok lemonades,

I think it's transphobic to encourage transpeople to surgically or hormonal Alter their body. I think there is nothing wrong with the brain or body of a transperson. I think that there is something wrong if people expect someone's body to "match" their gender identity . That is stereotyping people.

Do you want to discuss how much you agree or disagree with my position, and why?

So if posters were able to cite examples of hate speech maybe we could discuss it?

Like this.
Been there, done that.
Outright blatant examples, if you are naive daft enough to take it at face value at first, and give people examples, they'll be like "nope, la la la, that's not it."
They can't see it if it's stuck right under their nose.
Or they can and just won't admit it.
Who knows what goes on in their heads

Mermaids continued to promote Helen Webberley after she had been struck off for running an illegal gender clinics.

Clinicians who resigned from the Tavistock cited undue and malign influence from mermaids.

They promote a medical pathway which leaves children lifelong medical patients and sterile

How can you defend those?

@LemonadeAndDaisyChains

You have not engaged with the stated concerns

Did you miss the bit where people have repeatedly said there's no point in getting a debate, as it's like trying to have one with the religious zealot stood in the middle of town with their sandwich board and rantings?
Or is it still getting ignored?

No I didn’t miss it. Basically people are saying they won’t discuss the issues as there’s no point. It’s pathetic. Your stereotype of everyone who disagrees with you being akin to a religious zealot is lazy and untrue. I am willing to discuss constructively. And, if following a discussion it turns out there is a scientific basis for concluding that puberty blockers are safe then I’m happy to change my mind. But all I see is people stifling debate by shouting “transphobia” and that makes me fall into question whether there’s any real merit in the counter arguments.

@LemonadeAndDaisyChains

So if posters were able to cite examples of hate speech maybe we could discuss it?

Like this.
Been there, done that.
Outright blatant examples, if you are naive daft enough to take it at face value at first, and give people examples, they'll be like "nope, la la la, that's not it."
They can't see it if it's stuck right under their nose.
Or they can and just won't admit it.
Who knows what goes on in their heads

So no examples of hate speech then.

Rightio.

You can't debate on Mumsnet about trans issues. If you are in the minority with your opinion then you get piled on and told to leave the thread, this is after every single word you typed has been ripped apart and twisted. No other forum has quite the inability to actually debate than mumsnet on trans issues. It's a pointless activity because nobody wants to hear a disagreement, you'd get a better response from a class of 8 year olds!

As for showing "proof" of transphobia, that's the typical line that gets trotted out. It's pointless to give examples because those asking will just stick their fingers in their ears and "La la la nope that's not transphobic because I don't think it is!" again, another pointless excercise on this site.

Ok, so that's your attempt to engage and discuss? I really thought from the length of your posts so far you'd have some substance to your accusations.

I think it's transphobic to encourage transpeople to surgically or hormonal Alter their body. I think there is nothing wrong with the brain or body of a transperson

Your post doesn't even make sense. You're contradicting yourself.
There's nothing wrong with the brain or body of a trans person
OK, right.
Do you mean that in the way that they are fine as they are, they don't need to transition?
So how is it then transphobic to offer support and help in transitioning, but not by saying they're fine, there's nothing wrong with them and should stay as they are? Surely that's denying trans people exist if so?
You're all over the place and mixed it up [confused']

@FamilyOfAliens you are being so deliberately obtuse, it'd be a waste of time to even attempt to debate with you.

So no examples of hate speech then Rightio

FFS lol

Exactly, GreyT, what you just said. To all of it

you are being so deliberately obtuse, it'd be a waste of time to even attempt to debate with you

Exactly, and I know from experience knows damn well what we're saying but is doing the pretending doesn't.

@Lockdownsucks it has been covered so maybe actually read the thread, it's not like it's 30 pages long.

@GreytExpectations @LemonadeAndDaisyChains

Try me. If you have the confidence in your arguments, try me.

At the moment it sounds like a fairly transparent attempt to avoid subjecting your arguments to scrutiny.

If you are in the minority with your opinion then you get piled on and told to leave the thread

What utter bullshit.

@Unihorn

Woooow chill the fuck out!

No. Never heard of Mermaids until I read this thread TBH. I just don't feel strongly about the issues either way, and Tesco are my nearest and most convenient supermarket, so no, I won't be boycotting them.

You are confused because you are basically transphobic

You are leaping from there being a disconnect between a gender identity and physical body to saying that the person is fundamentally wrong, flawed and needs to be fixed

There is absolutely nothing wrong with having a male gender identity inside a female body. Or vice versa. That's quite OK.

It's not ok to be told there is something wrong with you because that's how you are. It's not ok to be told your identity must match other people's ideas of what Male and female are.

Then there is a second aspect to trans identification ( speaking from personal experience ) which is about trying to escape sexual abuse. Again, there is nothing wrong with the victim. It was not their fault, they don't need to change.

Your stereotype of everyone who disagrees with you being akin to a religious zealot is lazy and untrue

MN's not a hive mind, there's a lot of reasonable posters, middling ones.
I didn't say everyone who disagrees with me, just that there definitely is an element with quite a lot of posters (not all!) of trying to have one with the closed off zealot.
It is literally what it's like.

I didn’t know about this. No more Tesco’s for me.

[quote GreytExpectations]@FamilyOfAliens you are being so deliberately obtuse, it'd be a waste of time to even attempt to debate with you.[/quote]
Super - that definitely works for me

It's not normal

It's 'not normal' to be concerned about safeguarding of children, medicalisation and untested medical experimentation on children with unknown life long consequences, and sex based discrimination against girls?

No, it's not normal for any responsible adult not to be deeply concerned about the above.