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Is anyone else boycotting Tesco's for giving £80,000 to Mermaids?

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loveyouradvice · 05/07/2020 17:20

Just that really... I was shocked, especially given all the news coverage there has been about the issues recently. I would have expected them to give it to an uncontroversial charity at the very least - and ideally one that most of their customers would like to support

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BaronessSnippyPantsofCroneArmy · 06/07/2020 13:33

Yes, that Dr Webberley. Still signposted by Mermaids.

www.cambridge-news.co.uk/news/cambridge-news/transgender-treatment-nhs-webberley-jayden-16504026

blubellsarebells · 06/07/2020 13:35

So there is a safeguarding fail right there.
They are signposting people do a dr who cannot legally operate in this counrty.
How is that ok?
I notice nobody has actually tried to justify or defend sterilizing children with cancer drugs, just the usual derailing tactics.
We're talking about safeguarding vulnerable children.

PotholeParadise · 06/07/2020 13:36

@GreytExpectations

Also pot that doesn't explain why me blaming the parents means I'm OK with FGM you haven't explained that bizarre link you made.
You still haven't addressed why FGM, tattooing of minors or unnecessary medical treatment or deprivation of necessary medical treatment is different. Are they just 'bad parenting' or do others bear a duty to protect children?
Winesalot · 06/07/2020 13:36

BaronessSnippyPantsofCroneArmy

Any doctor that believes stunting a child's growth to fit a gender stereotype should be struck off....

Oh. that's right....

tellmewhentheLangshiplandscoz · 06/07/2020 13:37

Spell out to me LIKE I AM VERY STUPID what is transphobic about pointing out that a woman received abuse and that it was from a category of people who claim to speak for trans people?

I really want to understand this too. And these comments -

PotholeParadise · 06/07/2020 13:37

Hang on. So you actuallyagreewith concerns on this thread and that the Tavistock is rudderless and providing medical treatment without consideration of children's best interests?

If I read you right, you're saying that whether children had medical treatment or not was completely up to the parents and that it should be completely up to the parents?

Unless they're getting medical treatment for their child out of a vending machine, that shouldn't be the case.

Gender identity clinics are like any other kind of medical clinic- they are supposed to be staffed by professionals who will only provide treatment if it is in their patient's interest.

Children's rights matter.

If I read an article publicising disorders causing low blood pressure in children, and become convinced my child has the issue, no NHS doctor will prescribe medication on my say so. And it goes on like that for every condition.

Similarly, if my child is diagnosed with a condition such as cancer, and I wish to deny treatment due to my own beliefs, social services and the courts will become involved because my child has a right to appropriate medical treatment and to life.

Let's consider tattoos. If my child wants a tattoo at 11 and I believe my child is mature enough to make that decision, my child still can't get one legally because tattooists can't provide that service to under-eighteens. Do medical professionals have fewer responsibilities than tattooists?

These laws and regulations are there to protect children from foolish, neglectful and abusive and simply misinformed parents, and "parents allowing children to make decisions they are clearly not mature enough to understand the long term effects of" falls under that umbrella.

It is not supposed to happen. If this situation, as you yourself worded it, is happening on any kind of scale, this is an institutional failure to protect children by those whose role is to do exactly that.

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BiBabbles · 06/07/2020 13:37

Charities may not make parental choices, medical professionals may not typically make them, but they can certainly influence them. Many parent support groups, including ones by Mermaids, are meant to help parents make better choices to support themselves and their kids.

Either they actually do so - and should have some responsibility when their staff gives harmful support - or they don't, have no responsibility on the parents they support choices, and we need to find a better way to support parent and vulnerable kids to suggest organizations that want to donate for Pride to give to.

blubellsarebells · 06/07/2020 13:38

Thats right she was struck off.
Mermaids are still signposting desperate and vulnerable people to her.
Do tesco know about this?

GreytExpectations · 06/07/2020 13:39

If you say it's just a matter of 'bad parenting', then where is your sympathy for the victim?

Again you are jumping to ridiculous conclusions. Why would I not have sympathy for the victims? My point was about who is to blame for what they have gone through

SerenityNowwwww · 06/07/2020 13:40

I suspect they can’t hear because they have rainbows stuffed into their ears. What about the high numbers of kids with autism who present as trans?

Thinkingabout1t · 06/07/2020 13:40

My god, ItsLateHumpty -- this garbage is posted on wikihow as how to determine if your child is transgender?

Look for signs along the way. A child who is transgender will usually show many signs of their true gender. Their imaginary play usually suggests their gender, as well as how they want to dress and groom themselves. A child may be transgender if they show many of these signs: - Insisting on shopping in the girls/boys section - Choosing a boy/girl name for themselves - Preferring friends of the opposite sex (who have the child's desired gender) - Making a fuss over haircuts
Frequently pretending to be book or movie characters who share their desired gender - Hating their genitals - Looking up to older boys/girls and wanting to be just like them - Begging for books or toys that say "for boys" or "for girls" - Wanting to reincarnate as their true gender
Crying over the sex they were assigned at birth - Being much happier when you let them do something related to the gender they want

www.wikihow.com/Determine-if-a-Child-is-Transgender

Apart from not hating my genitals till I reached puberty and hated being hassled by men, that was pretty much me. I'm shocked to discover I must be a man!

Or could I just have been, like so many of my female friends, active and adventurous and appalled at the dreary feminine stereotype we thought we were doomed to perform? Thank god feminism saved us just in time.

Why are our children being forced back into that suffocating box?

tellmewhentheLangshiplandscoz · 06/07/2020 13:41

Gah, posted too soon.

These ...

going against all legislation currently being discussed.

Rights not to be judged, mis-treated, discriminated against etc.

you all massively hate them as one singular group it seems.

I get maybe it's me being thick/not reading properly but please show me where this has occurred on this thread.

PotholeParadise · 06/07/2020 13:41

greyt

If a charity supports FGM, and advises parents around this, and parents take this advice, your "bad parentiing" line excuses the charity. It excuses the surgeon, it excuses all the people and organisations who have a duty to step in.

GreytExpectations · 06/07/2020 13:42

@SerenityNowwwww

I suspect they can’t hear because they have rainbows stuffed into their ears. What about the high numbers of kids with autism who present as trans?
Rainbow stuffed in their ears?

Well folks, not only do you now have a clear example of transphobia, this post also hits the homophobic tick box whilst also being disablist.

blubellsarebells · 06/07/2020 13:42

Are mermaids not to blame for signposting people to a dr who has been struck off who then goes on to prescribe blockers of testosterone to a child without ever meeting that child?
I think they have some responsibility for who they are associated with.
Or do they not have a duty of care at all?

GreytExpectations · 06/07/2020 13:44

@PotholeParadise

greyt

If a charity supports FGM, and advises parents around this, and parents take this advice, your "bad parentiing" line excuses the charity. It excuses the surgeon, it excuses all the people and organisations who have a duty to step in.

No it doesn't excuse them, that's you making that assumptions. It pins the blame on the parents who agreed to it.

Seems like you think parents who abuse their children aren't to blame at all.

PotholeParadise · 06/07/2020 13:44

@GreytExpectations

If you say it's just a matter of 'bad parenting', then where is your sympathy for the victim?

Again you are jumping to ridiculous conclusions. Why would I not have sympathy for the victims? My point was about who is to blame for what they have gone through

Well, see it's a matter of tone. Your tone towards detransitioners was dismissive and uncaring.

You sought to excuse the quality of the advice their parents may have received and the clinicians who treated them.

Why?

LemonadeAndDaisyChains · 06/07/2020 13:45

what is transphobic about pointing out that a woman received abuse and that it was from a category of people who claim to speak for trans people?

The fact that trans people are separate people. Not a blob.
You've done it right there. If someone's trans that means they claim to speak for all other trans people?
They have their own minds and opinions just like the rest of us, no-one speaks for anyone else.
Just like for example Myra Hindley would never speak for me.

Ereshkigalangcleg · 06/07/2020 13:46

Well folks, not only do you now have a clear example of transphobia, this post also hits the homophobic tick box whilst also being disablist.

How is pointing out the high levels of ASD among children presenting at GIDS "disableist"? This is a concern which has been discussed in the mainstream media and by whistleblowers.

GreytExpectations · 06/07/2020 13:46

The NHS guidance states that if a parent suspects their child may have gender dysphoria then they should speak to a GP. So it asks the question, why aren't parents doing this and instead aimlessly pushing their kids to have medical procedues?

BaronessSnippyPantsofCroneArmy · 06/07/2020 13:47

Still haven't addressed my point about Mermaids volunteers, their failure to do due diligence and their lack of safeguarding, have you Lemonade?

blubellsarebells · 06/07/2020 13:47

What has your post got to do with mermaids? Lemonade
Any comment on Dr webberly or why mermaids might think its a good look to signpost to a dr who cant legally practise in this country?

Impatiens · 06/07/2020 13:48

That 'bad parenting' excuse is really not going to stand up in court.

Parents of trans kids can be equally as vulnerable and confused as their children, they need support and advice. Mermaids are just as capable of coercing and persuading them as they are the children.

Ereshkigalangcleg · 06/07/2020 13:48

You've done it right there. If someone's trans that means they claim to speak for all other trans people?

It's the amount of such abuse which is significant here, Lemonade. And I've seen plenty of generalisations about the women posting on FWR on this very thread?

Ereshkigalangcleg · 06/07/2020 13:48

Does that constitute misogyny? Some would say it might.