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Is anyone else boycotting Tesco's for giving £80,000 to Mermaids?

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loveyouradvice · 05/07/2020 17:20

Just that really... I was shocked, especially given all the news coverage there has been about the issues recently. I would have expected them to give it to an uncontroversial charity at the very least - and ideally one that most of their customers would like to support

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RednaxelasLunch · 06/07/2020 13:05

No doubt my comment will be deleted. Let's try again.

The CEO of Mermaids has repeatedly stated that playing with "girls' toys" is how she knew her pre pubescent CHILD was transgender. She has given a slideshow of a "gender spectrum" with GI Joe at one end and Barbie at the other.

We should be working to dismantle gender stereotypes, not reinforce them and medically intervene to "correct" children's bodies.

news.sky.com/story/hundreds-of-young-trans-people-seeking-help-to-return-to-original-sex-11827740

feelingverylazytoday · 06/07/2020 13:05

@GimmeAy

They're not actually male. I believe under current law they're female.
Of course they're still male. It's impossible to change sex, and sex is a biological state not a legal one.
12boo · 06/07/2020 13:05

@GimmeAy

They're not actually male. I believe under current law they're female.
You have that wrong. Besides as I said the trans umbrella is wide and includes ppl who are AGPs, transvestites and "non binary" Mermaids are promoting the medical transition of children. This and their support of identity politics which erases the notion of objective reality are a danger to society
ChazsBrilliantAttitude · 06/07/2020 13:06

How many posters on this thread believe the medicalised route is right for trans children?

The NHS is no longer comfortable with saying puberty blockers have no long term consequences. That should mean that no charity would be comfortable with saying that puberty blockers are just a pause and that the body will continue to develop normally.
Mermaids Glossary
“Blockers, hormone blockers or puberty blockers: a type of medication which temporarily stops the production of the natural hormones which progress puberty. They are considered by the NHS Gender Identity Development Service and a body of international research to be a physically reversible intervention: if the young person stops taking the blocker their body will begin developing as it would have done without medical intervention.”

NHS Advice
“ Although the Gender Identity Development Service (GIDS) advises this is a physically reversible treatment if stopped, it is not known what the psychological effects may be.

It's also not known whether hormone blockers affect the development of the teenage brain or children's bones. Side effects may also include hot flushes, fatigue and mood alterations.”

PotholeParadise · 06/07/2020 13:06

Never said I was OK with that. I'd love to know who you jumped to that ridiculous conclusion, please point out where I said any of that was OK? And please do hurry

See big long post I already made, quoting you. You didn't reply. I was okay with that until you got on that soapbox about lack of reply.

GimmeAy · 06/07/2020 13:06

You think I haven't informed myself? You think I'm ignorant?

GreytExpectations · 06/07/2020 13:07

@GimmeAy

Can you not see why people view MN as being a hotbed of transphobia? Really? You can't see it at all? You're going against all legislation currently being discussed. You're misgendering people, you're generalising transwomen as being male and thus a threat. You're not doing yourselves any favours. TRA's have had to fight and fight for rights. Rights not to be judged, mis-treated, discriminated against etc. Yet you all massively hate them as one singular group it seems.
They will never see it. They have their blinders on and seem to think they are all right and anyone else who disagrees is wrong. I appreciate that more posters are no calling it out but sadly it won't make a difference as has already been displayed on this thread. They just want us to shut up and leave the thread or agree with them.
NewarkShark · 06/07/2020 13:07

@GimmeAy

vile, disgusting, misogynistic abuse from trans rights activists

You see - right here you're being transphobic. But you can't see that can you?

What?! Are you saying JKR didn’t receive that abuse, or that it wasn’t from trans rights activists? (Many of whom are not trans).

Spell out to me LIKE I AM VERY STUPID what is transphobic about pointing out that a woman received abuse and that it was from a category of people who claim to speak for trans people?

And as someone who has spent a decade working in discrimination law, and has given my time for free to help people who can’t afford legal representation fight against discrimination (including trans people), please don’t pull any pathetic crap like “if you can’t see it, I can’t help you” etc. It is my job to be able to identify discriminatory remarks etc, and I simply cannot see where you’re coming from with that one at all. So tell me.

Impatiens · 06/07/2020 13:07

Interesting snippet from the Wikipedia page on 'Butterfly', a tv prog about a child who identifies as trans. The CEO of Mermaids, Susie Green was a consultant on the prog and interviews with parents/kids were arranged through Mermaids.

Marchant noted a common theme among families at Mermaids was the presence of transgender children's mothers and absence of their fathers

LemonadeAndDaisyChains · 06/07/2020 13:07

Doesn't mean you're incapable of being transphobic as you have trans mates or family Can you honestly not read
That’s exactly what i just said

Why are you twisting my words? You said Lots of the Regular FWR posters have friends, co-workers, children, siblings and relations who are trans
Just that. Nothing else. So I said "just like racists use the I have black friends line?
Which it did come across as.
I see your other post you've removed yourself, why?
I know what I'm reading, thank you for your concern about my reading comprehension though.

Kit19 · 06/07/2020 13:07

Transwomen ARE biologically male otherwise what are they transitioning from?

they can present as they like, wear what they want, use whatever name they like but it doesnt change their DNA. Quite a number of TW recognise this and refer to themselves as male. are they misgendering themselves?

Transrights are human rights - they have the right not to be discrimated against. no one should be fired for being trans or be turned down for housing or be absued in the street

they are entitled to all the human rights I have

but they're not women and as a woman I have rights because of my sex, not because of my gender

PotholeParadise · 06/07/2020 13:08

Hang on. So you actuallyagreewith concerns on this thread and that the Tavistock is rudderless and providing medical treatment without consideration of children's best interests?

If I read you right, you're saying that whether children had medical treatment or not was completely up to the parents and that it should be completely up to the parents?

Unless they're getting medical treatment for their child out of a vending machine, that shouldn't be the case.

Gender identity clinics are like any other kind of medical clinic- they are supposed to be staffed by professionals who will only provide treatment if it is in their patient's interest.

Children's rights matter.

If I read an article publicising disorders causing low blood pressure in children, and become convinced my child has the issue, no NHS doctor will prescribe medication on my say so. And it goes on like that for every condition.

Similarly, if my child is diagnosed with a condition such as cancer, and I wish to deny treatment due to my own beliefs, social services and the courts will become involved because my child has a right to appropriate medical treatment and to life.

Let's consider tattoos. If my child wants a tattoo at 11 and I believe my child is mature enough to make that decision, my child still can't get one legally because tattooists can't provide that service to under-eighteens. Do medical professionals have fewer responsibilities than tattooists?

These laws and regulations are there to protect children from foolish, neglectful and abusive and simply misinformed parents, and "parents allowing children to make decisions they are clearly not mature enough to understand the long term effects of" falls under that umbrella.

It is not supposed to happen. If this situation, as you yourself worded it, is happening on any kind of scale, this is an institutional failure to protect children by those whose role is to do exactly that.

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GreytExpectations · 06/07/2020 13:09

@PotholeParadise

Never said I was OK with that. I'd love to know who you jumped to that ridiculous conclusion, please point out where I said any of that was OK? And please do hurry

See big long post I already made, quoting you. You didn't reply. I was okay with that until you got on that soapbox about lack of reply.

I never said I wasn't against any of those things you mentioned. My quoted post does not show me saying I am against any of what you mentioned, I blame the parents for children who medically transition and regret it. Same as I blame the parents who allow FGM, forced marriages ect. Once again, please point out exactly where I have said what you have accused me of. I will wait.
NewarkShark · 06/07/2020 13:09

And those with a GRC would be legally female, subject to exceptions. Those without a GRC (the majority) would still be male.

But you still need to justify why a GRC affects the risk level, or acknowledge that it doesn’t but you think that the consequent increase in risk to women is outweighed by the benefit to trans women.

GimmeAy · 06/07/2020 13:10

Well what if you thought that you were the wrong sex Kit? What then?

Ereshkigalangcleg · 06/07/2020 13:10

Not on topic.

Topic. Mermaids. Topic whether their support helps children explore their feelings in a healthy manner or indoctrinates them.

Well said. Let's discuss this respectfully, if that's possible.

Impatiens · 06/07/2020 13:11

Nothing specifically to do with Mermaids (well, everyone else is doing it!) but I really like this contribution to the 'transphobia debate' wrt to JK Rowling, from a transwoman.

LemonadeAndDaisyChains · 06/07/2020 13:12

Is there evidence that transwomen have posed a massive risk worthy of debate?
They're male.

Well, says it all really doesn't it

Exactly! It really does. The never see it and blinders on comment totally exactly like it is.
And yes, I agree that people can't biologically change sex. There's so much more than that going on here though, and people just can't or won't see it.

PotholeParadise · 06/07/2020 13:13

greyt

Let me repeat myself:
hurry up with explaining why you are presumably okay with parents being allowed to marry off their adolescent children, parents being allowed to get their children tattooed and parents being allowed to perform FGM on their children.

See that word 'presumably'?

I stand by every word I've said.

GreytExpectations · 06/07/2020 13:13

Well said. Let's discuss this respectfully, if that's possible.

Is not possible to discuss respectfully because as displayed nobody is allowed to disagree without being piled on and insulted

Ereshkigalangcleg · 06/07/2020 13:14

And they haven't actually changed their biological sex, because that isn't possible for Homo sapiens.

Because it's about gender.

Yes. So why are you saying that they are not male, when their sex is male? And using your misunderstanding of the law as a gotcha?

ListeningQuietly · 06/07/2020 13:14

And those with a GRC would be legally female, subject to exceptions.
Like the transman who chose to have IVF and become pregnant
but was allowed to stay legally "male"
even though "he" had given birth Hmm

If Mermaids had their way, people like David Bowie wold have been given drugs and surgery to make them female
because he was most definitely nonconforming

LemonadeAndDaisyChains · 06/07/2020 13:15

If we're berating people for not being on topic, why are we now discussing grown adult trans women when the thread is about a charity helping trans children, not adults?

GreytExpectations · 06/07/2020 13:15

@PotholeParadise

greyt

Let me repeat myself:
hurry up with explaining why you are presumably okay with parents being allowed to marry off their adolescent children, parents being allowed to get their children tattooed and parents being allowed to perform FGM on their children.

See that word 'presumably'?

I stand by every word I've said.

Except I am not OK with any of that and I honestly cannot fathom how me saying I fully blame parents for their kids medically transitioning somehow suggests I'm OK with child abuse such as FGM. You have yet to clarify how you made that link.
PotholeParadise · 06/07/2020 13:15

@GreytExpectations

Well said. Let's discuss this respectfully, if that's possible.

Is not possible to discuss respectfully because as displayed nobody is allowed to disagree without being piled on and insulted

Yes. I quite agree. People make points and you either ignore them or just shout 'transphobia'

Shall I start shouting 'disablist' and 'eugenicist' at you or would it be more constructive for me to explain why I think that?

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