Is anyone else boycotting Tesco's for giving £80,000 to Mermaids?

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Just that really... I was shocked, especially given all the news coverage there has been about the issues recently. I would have expected them to give it to an uncontroversial charity at the very least - and ideally one that most of their customers would like to support

"how is that OK to say "gloating manipulative male" in that context to an actual person"

Are you objecting to that person being called "gloating" or "manipulative"?

I'm just asking because surely you could not be having a go at someone for saying a transwoman is male* because that is the very definition of a transwoman - if female, she would just be called a woman, not a transwoman.

*Male = Of the sex that can make semen.
Female = Of the sex that can make eggs or bear young.

"in the discussions on these boards it’s generally understood that we make a distinction in some cases"

What kind of distinction and in which cases?

Mermaids is a support charity and nothing else despite the innuendo from the bigots on here.
I agree with the posters about this site - the FWR board is a cesspit of transphobia which edges onto homophobia and racism a large amount of the time.
It's absolutely pointless posting alternative views because people are so far down a rabbit hole of transphobic rubbish that they ignore any peer reviewed articles, national charities or anything scientific in favor of daily mail articles, screenshots from twitter and scaremongering from right wing sites.
They then resort to repeatedly asking the same question demanding that people answer as an attempt to hound people into silence. Well to some extent it's worked on FWR so that there are a few hundred people convincing themselves they are the majority when the reality is that most don't want to engage with their bigotry. It's the last place I'd look to if I wanted to talk about women's rights.
And for those saying their ''concerns' are the majority the British Attitudes Survey very clearly shows that the majority of women are trans inclusive: all the organisations that actually work with women (as opposed to internet groups that only talk about trans people) are trans inclusive and use self-id; every trade union conference has voted to support reforms to the GRA.
Now I'm sure that the trans-exclusive lot will be along in a minute to say that everyone has been 'captured' or is 'woke' whatever that means - but for those of you who do have a mind of your own maybe read the World Health Organisation stuff and ask yourself who is more likely to be accurate - The WHO or a bunch of internet warriors on the FWR board

@G5000

It's not a charity's job to parent your child.

So you are saying that the court was wrong and Mermaids had no influence in this case?

Mermaids is a support charity and they cannot be held accountable for the decisions that parents make about their children.

They then resort to repeatedly asking the same question demanding that people answer as an attempt to hound people into silence.

That's the bit that makes me laugh - if you have a dissenting opinion, you have to answer every single question, otherwise you're not in good faith or something. But if you do you're banging on. So don't ask questions then if you don't want them answering?
If you ask just one question though, just one, you'll get "No I don't have to bow to your demands."
Demands? It was one question, you feeling OK hun

@LemonadeAndDaisyChains

There are plenty of gloating, manipulative, dangerous men who are riding the trans wagon

OK, there's a possibility there is.
This wasn't "the trans wagon" though.
This was a poster, who was a trans woman. An individual with a differing opinion.
How, how is that OK to say "gloating manipulative male" in that context to an actual person, just because you don't agree with them?
They're people, it's a bit sickening and seeming to lumping them all together and othering with "trans wagon" "there's lots of manipulative ones" - maybe there is but as with all people there'll be lots of lovely ones too just like you get with biological men and women.

Oh and again, this is a general comment because I haven’t seen the exchange you mentioned, but if that individual was in fact being a gloating, manipulative male (I’m not saying they were, as I’ve said, I don’t know the specific context) then I see absolutely nothing wrong with calling them out on it. Women are not obligated to indiscriminately be ‘kind,’ ‘compassionate’ or otherwise budge over for everyone else who wants a space, and certainly not if the individual or individuals in question do not wish them well and do not afford them the same level of respect.

Hands off I don't think your link has worked properly as there isn't one

It's from a hard copy of the publication. I've given you the date, page, author and publication.

I know that may seem like a shocker to some in this digital era! But I'm sure you can track it down if you would like to read further. It's just one of several investigative pieces.

Many of us have been following this scandal for a while. I don't have a subscription to any newspaper, but I do buy hard copies.

I won't post a screenshot because of copyright (oh and TRAs' stalking and doxing women in the past using digital information).

What kind of distinction and in which cases?

lemonade is quoting ‘transphobia’ from this thread

www.mumsnet.com/Talk/womens_rights/3953776-Why-r-GenderCritical-was-banned-by-Reddit?msgid=98074324

See image if it’s easier.

@katrina11

Mermaids is a support charity and nothing else despite the innuendo from the bigots on here. I agree with the posters about this site - the FWR board is a cesspit of transphobia which edges onto homophobia and racism a large amount of the time. It's absolutely pointless posting alternative views because people are so far down a rabbit hole of transphobic rubbish that they ignore any peer reviewed articles, national charities or anything scientific in favor of daily mail articles, screenshots from twitter and scaremongering from right wing sites. They then resort to repeatedly asking the same question demanding that people answer as an attempt to hound people into silence. Well to some extent it's worked on FWR so that there are a few hundred people convincing themselves they are the majority when the reality is that most don't want to engage with their bigotry. It's the last place I'd look to if I wanted to talk about women's rights. And for those saying their ''concerns' are the majority the British Attitudes Survey very clearly shows that the majority of women are trans inclusive: all the organisations that actually work with women (as opposed to internet groups that only talk about trans people) are trans inclusive and use self-id; every trade union conference has voted to support reforms to the GRA. Now I'm sure that the trans-exclusive lot will be along in a minute to say that everyone has been 'captured' or is 'woke' whatever that means - but for those of you who do have a mind of your own maybe read the World Health Organisation stuff and ask yourself who is more likely to be accurate - The WHO or a bunch of internet warriors on the FWR board

Very well said and I completely agree. You really hit the nail on the head.

Calling FWR homophobic is absolutely ridiculous. Trans ideology is inherently homophobic and has completely thrown young lesbian girls & women in particular under the bus.

Many of us in FWR have gay children or family members, as well as trans identifying children or family members. We advocate on their behalf and for their sakes.

Mumsnet is a transphobic place, 5 minutes on the feminist chat board will show you that, it's not about specific comments

That doesn’t really make sense.

Mermaids is a support charity and nothing else despite the innuendo from the bigots on here.

That’s not really true, is it? As evidenced by many, many posts quoting facts. No need for innuendo.

As for homophobia, if you could provide evidence of this I’d like to see it. I see huge support for gay men and especially for lesbians on FWR. Maybe I’ve missed something?

Many of us have been following this scandal for a while

Scandal? Scandal as in where parents didn't actually parent their children and instead encouraged them to make life altering decisions without doing their research and then tried to blame others for their lack of parenting abilities. That scandal?

I should probably add that I've been around since before the very first thread discussing these definitions on MN back in 2014 and said exactly the same there.

That doesn’t really make sense.

I'm sorry you have trouble understanding a simple sentence and concept. Maybe if you elaborated more I'd be able to clarify for you. But I'm sure even if I clarified you still "wouldn't understand"

@katrina11

Mermaids is a support charity and nothing else despite the innuendo from the bigots on here. I agree with the posters about this site - the FWR board is a cesspit of transphobia which edges onto homophobia and racism a large amount of the time. It's absolutely pointless posting alternative views because people are so far down a rabbit hole of transphobic rubbish that they ignore any peer reviewed articles, national charities or anything scientific in favor of daily mail articles, screenshots from twitter and scaremongering from right wing sites. They then resort to repeatedly asking the same question demanding that people answer as an attempt to hound people into silence. Well to some extent it's worked on FWR so that there are a few hundred people convincing themselves they are the majority when the reality is that most don't want to engage with their bigotry. It's the last place I'd look to if I wanted to talk about women's rights. And for those saying their ''concerns' are the majority the British Attitudes Survey very clearly shows that the majority of women are trans inclusive: all the organisations that actually work with women (as opposed to internet groups that only talk about trans people) are trans inclusive and use self-id; every trade union conference has voted to support reforms to the GRA. Now I'm sure that the trans-exclusive lot will be along in a minute to say that everyone has been 'captured' or is 'woke' whatever that means - but for those of you who do have a mind of your own maybe read the World Health Organisation stuff and ask yourself who is more likely to be accurate - The WHO or a bunch of internet warriors on the FWR board

That’s a shame katrina11 as I’ve posted quite a bit about Mermaids just over the last 3 pages. Maybe have a look and see what you think.

There are other transgender person supportive organisations available.

Mermaids is a support charity and they cannot be held accountable for the decisions that parents make about their children.

Yes, and the court found that Mermaids supported the decisions and actions of a woman, who due to her mental health issues forced her son to live as a girl. While they were, indeed, not held accountable, they were told to stop.

You have not engaged with the stated concerns about eg affirmation vs watch and wait, the long term effects of puberty blockers etc. Instead you have posted an unsubstantiated load of sanctimonious waffle.

That's transactivism for you!

@GreytExpectations

That doesn’t really make sense.

I'm sorry you have trouble understanding a simple sentence and concept. Maybe if you elaborated more I'd be able to clarify for you. But I'm sure even if I clarified you still "wouldn't understand"

Saying something doesn’t make sense is not the same as saying one doesn’t understand it.

HTH.

I can see what the poster meant about edging into homophobia and racism.
I've seen it.
I can't think of one example of the top of my head for homophobia (actually, yes I can, gay couples adopting children) and racism the Amy Cooper case.
Prolific posters absolutely tying themselves in knots to blame the man in some way to absolve the white woman of blame, he must have been doing something wrong, he must have provoked her to do that (what, asked for it?!)
It's utterly sickening when you see it.

It's the last place I'd look to if I wanted to talk about women's rights

And yet here you are, telling women their safeguarding concerns are bigotry.

A woman is an adult human female
What is a transwoman?
A man with gender dysphoria who "presents as female" to ease his dysphoria?

I use preferred pronouns in most social settings as a courtesy but Compelled speech is dangerous and I won't comply with it

@GreytExpectations

Many of us have been following this scandal for a while

Scandal? Scandal as in where parents didn't actually parent their children and instead encouraged them to make life altering decisions without doing their research and then tried to blame others for their lack of parenting abilities. That scandal?

Scandal, yes. Several charities at the centre of this.

But I'm curious as to why you would defend them.

ItsLate - That didn't help much, as it shows one person's opinion.

Has MNHQ announced somewhere that we are now to ignore the definition of 'woman' = adult human female in some cases or face a deletion/ban?

Yes, and the court found that Mermaids supported the decisions and actions of a woman, who due to her mental health issues forced her son to live as a girl. While they were, indeed, not held accountable, they were told to stop.

And that is their choice to support it or not. Same as anyone can support a decision, it doesn't mean its the right decision for that child but you can't then go an accuse a company of being at fault for what is ultimately bad parenting. If the mother had mental health issues that prevented her from being able to care for her child then the should have sought the relevant authorities for that.

What about the other supposed cases where the parents don't have mental health issues? What's your excuse for their bad parenting then?

Even watching Susie Green's own TED talk about Mermaids would be enough to give most reasonable people cause for concern about mermaids as an organisation