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To think 'big food' industry is to blame for the obesity epidemic, not individuals?

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aintnothinbutagstring · 05/07/2020 15:29

When I read on MN, and when I talk to people IRL, there's an underlying attitude to obesity that it is all down to willpower, or lack of, and individual choice over whether to be fat or thin. If we all tried a little harder and were disciplined, everyone could be their ideal weight.

I recently got on to reading some books on processed food, they are not new concepts, the ideas have been around a while. Lots of scientists and MDs from the US, where the obesity epidemic is a little further down the road than in the UK, have written about the addictive nature of processed food, books such as 'Wheat Belly', 'The Dorito Effect', Robert Lustig has done many talks on it. In the UK, Joanna Blythman has wrote quite a bit on the UK food industry.

Some have linked processed food to activating dopamine receptors in the brain so it works like other addictions. Yet cannot escape it once we walk into a supermarket, most of what is for sale there is very highly processed food. It's all sugar, salt, wheat, the bad fats (processed oils like rapeseed, not natural fats which are healthy). Flavours created by amazing scientists so you'd rather eat the flavour chemicals than the actual food.

Yet we are telling obese people, some of whom may be using food addiction to deal with past trauma, lifestyle stress etc, 'it is your choice, what you eat, you need to try harder, have more self respect, more willpower'.

I see obese people now as 'you are a victim of 'big food', the companies (only a handful of global billion pound companies) that produce and cleverly advertise and use supermarkets to sell this highly refined, highly addictive processed food'. If they were educated and told it's not their fault, they might decide they don't want to play the 'big food' game anymore.

OP posts:
TornadoOfSouls · 05/07/2020 21:11

Of course the cheap availability of heavily marketed junk is a factor. Yet millions of people in the UK are not fat. So they are managing to shop in stores full of crap, yet eat healthily

This is definitely true, but if you watch eg old Top of the Pops or similar it’s astonishing how slim almost everyone is. We’ve all got bigger. Some of that is better nutrition but I think the availability, cost and range of cheap high-calorie food has had an effect across the board.

Stressing · 05/07/2020 21:17

I agree with this. Processed food also leaves our bodies craving other nutrients and so we carry on eating. Healthy food is far more satisfying.

jackdaw141 · 05/07/2020 21:19

@aintnothinbutagstring

I think you are on the right track, but have so much more to learn. You cannot make this kind of statement without looking naive and simple-

It's all sugar, salt, wheat, the bad fats (processed oils like rapeseed, not natural fats which are healthy).

Sugar is natural, so is salt and so are fats. In fact fats are essential. Rapeseed is a natural fat and I buy large quantities of it for home consumption straight from an organic farm in the UK. Rapeseed, like flaxseed, sugar beet is processed in the sense it is harvested, milled and oil or sugar is extracted. If it is oil, it is then bottled and either sold from the farm direct or bought by grocers and put on the shelves for people to buy smaller and more convenient quantities.

Your general sentiment amount processed food is valid, but if you want to make the changes in the world that your seek, you should educate yourself more about food and processed, write better and not be so sensational.

Otherwise, you will not get taken seriously.

Disfordarkchocolate · 05/07/2020 21:23

No. Families, individuals, societies, the government and big businesses all play a part but individuals make choices. For some it will be very hard to make the right choices, for some the structures around them make healthy eating early impossible.

Ilovefishcakes201 · 05/07/2020 21:31

It’s a bit like a drug addict blaming their dealer as to why they are an addict.
I think you’re not ready to lose weight if you’re still blaming others.
Most people aren’t overweight or obese. In fact most people leave longer healthier lives.
Losing weight is something that takes will power.

I say this as I have to consciously make an effort to lose weight every few years because I like my food too.

jackdaw141 · 05/07/2020 21:32

Try defining 'Big Food' OP. This is a term you used. As you unbundle it you will find your answer.

Rapeseed oil is OK, wheat is OK, tomatoes are OK, sugar is OK, lemon juice is OK, milk is OK, pepper is OK, almonds are OK, basil is OK, carrots are OK. Farmers, millers and big companies produce these. They are OK.

Ready meals are not OK. Is that what you mean?

ps Pesto is not OK, but that's just me.

safariboot · 05/07/2020 21:34

It's easy to point to an individual and blame individual choices. But when we a common behaviour across many of the population, we should look for larger scale causes.

Is it the food industry? Maybe, maybe not. It seems to me that food nowadays is a choice of easy, healthy, cheap: pick any two. And for those who are overworked and underpaid the obvious choice is easy and cheap. But then probably an equally big part is a more sedentary lifestyle. I've gained weight since I got a car and quit taking public transport.

And while what and how much you eat is a choice, we should all understand that making good choices is a lot harder for some than for others.

"Dieting" often means deliberately going hungry while surrounded by abundance. It goes against 200,000 years of human evolution. No wonder so few people succeed!

Spikeypineapples · 05/07/2020 21:34

You definitely have a point op.

bluefoxmug · 05/07/2020 21:37

many ready meals are ok. they often contain less salt than home made versions for example.
the portion sizes are also ok, if you really look at it and don't heat up a 4 person lasagna for 2 plus garlic bread etc

WorraLiberty · 05/07/2020 21:38

Ilovefishcakes201 ...... Most people aren’t overweight or obese.

64% of UK adults are overweight or obese.

PaddyF0dder · 05/07/2020 21:38

I was obese.

Now I’m not.

The decision to change was mine, and the perseverance to change it was mine. Likewise the maintenance of a healthy weight is my choice.

Personal responsibility, first and foremost. Yes, other factors are important. But none more so than personal responsibility.

Pikachubaby · 05/07/2020 21:40

The DRV video is a bit waffley but right:

It’s our circle of influence

Fat friends encourage others to eat more, go on, you deserve it. It’s fun, have another one... hard to resist

Easier to stay slim if all your friends are into running/hiking and instead of being offered drinks and snacks you get asked if you want to join their 10k run Grin

Peer pressure is real, and hard to resist

UltimateWednesday · 05/07/2020 21:41

It's a bit like blaming the tobacco industry for people smoking. Yes, of course, they have dedicated years and millions to getting people to consume their products, but people have known for decades that they are harmful and make their choices in that knowledge.

Crunchymum · 05/07/2020 21:43

I'm surprised and saddened to see some posters I have a lot of time for, dismiss obesity as a choice.

I'm currently 5st overweight. Trauma (disabled DC3 and all that encompasses) triggered auto immune arthritis, treated with steroids, gained a shit load of weight am also struggling with depression and anxiety... I'm fighting a daily hourly battle with my emotional eating.

The fact is fat people DO overeat, they do have poor eating habits and make bad choices. I don't debate that, but if you have the time and compassion to dig a little deeper, you'll see there are always reasons people overeat !!! Complex, sad, horrible reasons. Reasons that need medical help, therapy and compassion.

Gobbycop · 05/07/2020 21:45

Of course, we now life in a society where we blame everything but the individual.

We all have a choice in what we eat.

If an individual wants to hoover up shite food then fine, don't then bleat about being overweight and start blaming everything else.

People need to take responsibility for their choices and actions.

Crunchymum · 05/07/2020 21:48

@Gobbycop

Would you say the same to a person with an eating disorder that doesn't make them fat?

That it is their own fault?

Please have some insight here.

jasjas1973 · 05/07/2020 21:53

Govt's should control what we can buy/eat but obviously quantity is down to us!

Business will always do what they can to make money and they don't care how they do it.

We regulate building, car and aeroplane safety, take lead out of fuel and paint, asbestos out of building materials, should be no different with food.

WorraLiberty · 05/07/2020 22:15

Crunchymum ...... The fact is fat people DO overeat, they do have poor eating habits and make bad choices. I don't debate that, but if you have the time and compassion to dig a little deeper, you'll see there are always reasons people overeat !!! Complex, sad, horrible reasons. Reasons that need medical help, therapy and compassion.

Therefore blaming the food industry (which is the subject of this thread), isn't going to help is it?

jackdaw141 · 05/07/2020 22:27

Yeah, its messy. Food Industry is a messy term. It is easy to create a demon, but the Food Industry does not exist in a solid form. It is made up of many different players, each of which stirs the broth. Too many cooks springs to mind. The less food is played around with the better. that is why I dislike ready meals.

Food adulterers!

NameyNameyNames · 05/07/2020 22:33

I am obese.
It's because I can't control myself well.
There are underlying social and psychological reasons, which are unique to every person. There is no one thing to "blame" for obesity.

But, at the end of the day, I am responsible for what I put in my mouth.

SchrodingersImmigrant · 05/07/2020 22:45

you'll see there are always reasons people overeat !!! Complex, sad, horrible reasons

I am sorry for what happened to you, but I must strongly disagree with that "always".

Crunchymum · 05/07/2020 22:53

You are correct @WorraLiberty in that the blame doesn't lie solely with the food industry (I'd actually say the diet industry is worse) but no-one can deny the disparity in costs of processed, unhealthy shit versus healthier alternatives.

I realise I am heading into excuse territory here.

There are many, many factors when you have an eating disorder and in my case, being morbidly obese, is as much as eating disorder as anorexia or bulimia. The reasons and outcomes are polar opposites but there are common factors.

Do I blame the food industry? No. Could they do more? Yes.

Leflic · 05/07/2020 23:05

I would say it’s availability. Food is available 24 hours a day. In the 70’s and 80’s supermarkets ( pretty much the only places that had food ) were smaller closed at 6pm and were shut on Sundays and half day closing. Fast food was Wimpy or Little Chef with plates and cutlery.

Now everywhere has a Tesco Express or similar, a petrol station or random places like garden centres selling food.

I noticed this with petrol. Even when it’s really expensive people don’t really change how they drive. They put less in the tank, they might drop a long journey.
Howeverthe lorry strikes meant no fuel was coming in, then people changed their habits because it was very difficult to find any to refuel. People started driving slower and more economically. Thinking about not using the car etc.,

SchrodingersImmigrant · 05/07/2020 23:32

I would say it’s availability. Food is available 24 hours a day.

So is cocaine where I live...
I do agree with you in that availability is probably one of the big factors which allows people to get fatter than the gen before.

WorraLiberty · 05/07/2020 23:46

I would say it’s availability. Food is available 24 hours a day. In the 70’s and 80’s supermarkets ( pretty much the only places that had food ) were smaller closed at 6pm and were shut on Sundays and half day closing. Fast food was Wimpy or Little Chef with plates and cutlery.

Now everywhere has a Tesco Express or similar, a petrol station or random places like garden centres selling food.

That's absolutely true, plus the fact people don't even have to leave their houses to get junk food delivered to their doors.

However again, it's about personal responsibility and until people take charge of that, the obesity pandemic will never change.

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