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To think 'big food' industry is to blame for the obesity epidemic, not individuals?

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aintnothinbutagstring · 05/07/2020 15:29

When I read on MN, and when I talk to people IRL, there's an underlying attitude to obesity that it is all down to willpower, or lack of, and individual choice over whether to be fat or thin. If we all tried a little harder and were disciplined, everyone could be their ideal weight.

I recently got on to reading some books on processed food, they are not new concepts, the ideas have been around a while. Lots of scientists and MDs from the US, where the obesity epidemic is a little further down the road than in the UK, have written about the addictive nature of processed food, books such as 'Wheat Belly', 'The Dorito Effect', Robert Lustig has done many talks on it. In the UK, Joanna Blythman has wrote quite a bit on the UK food industry.

Some have linked processed food to activating dopamine receptors in the brain so it works like other addictions. Yet cannot escape it once we walk into a supermarket, most of what is for sale there is very highly processed food. It's all sugar, salt, wheat, the bad fats (processed oils like rapeseed, not natural fats which are healthy). Flavours created by amazing scientists so you'd rather eat the flavour chemicals than the actual food.

Yet we are telling obese people, some of whom may be using food addiction to deal with past trauma, lifestyle stress etc, 'it is your choice, what you eat, you need to try harder, have more self respect, more willpower'.

I see obese people now as 'you are a victim of 'big food', the companies (only a handful of global billion pound companies) that produce and cleverly advertise and use supermarkets to sell this highly refined, highly addictive processed food'. If they were educated and told it's not their fault, they might decide they don't want to play the 'big food' game anymore.

OP posts:
SeasonFinale · 05/07/2020 19:21

As a larger woman I take full responsibility for what I choose to eat (too much) and what exercise I take (too little).

eddiemairswife · 05/07/2020 19:24

Some people appear to think that feeling hungry is something to be avoided at all costs, hence the 'snack cupboards' I have seen mentioned on here. Yes, snacks are nice but not essential. Also I'm amazed at the meal and snack menus sometimes posted, where young children aren't allowed to go more than a couple of hours without being given a snack. Mind you it is always a 'healthy' snack. I know times are different; I grew up during rationing when snacks (healthy or not) just weren't available, and so were not on my radar when I had my own children.

ResIpsaLoquiturInterAlia · 05/07/2020 19:43

Sensible and knowledgeable comments throughout this thread. Not wishing to unnecessarily repeat some of the good points already raised I came across this (as one does online) and agree with the general thrust expressed:

The Cause Of Obesity: Controversial!. Don't Watch If You Are Easily Offended

SchrodingersImmigrant · 05/07/2020 19:44

From my experience, once the person realises it is their choice what they put into their mouth and how much and that the fact that they are size 22 and their sofa is starting to make uncomfortable noise is their doing, it hurts a bit. I mean you actually realise you have done this. Ouch. But, it's just so necessary to have that ouch moment to successfully overhaul lifestyle and lose. If there is still a denial and the "well they pushed me into it by it being on TV" stuff, there is no chance if success.

(obviously I am not talking about the minority who have issues due to health issues)

SchrodingersImmigrant · 05/07/2020 19:45

Also. Slowcooker! Everyone should have a slowcooker Grin
Cheap to run, you can use cheaper ingredients and cheaper meat cuts, easy to watch what goes into it, no hassle AND delicious food which can be portion and frozen.

Dixiechickonhols · 05/07/2020 20:00

Cooking and confidence to cook is a big thing. I’m in 40s and can cook. My mum cooked proper meals so I learnt as I grew up and I had proper home ec lessons. I was obese a size 20 at start of 2019. Now a size 10 and a healthy bmi. I was overweight as I had serious health problems in my 30s plus eating wrong stuff for many reasons. I have a diet instagram page and am on Facebook diet groups and have been surprised at lack of basic cooking know how.
Eating out or coffees and quick grab lunches are such a big thing. Most options are unhealthy. I rarely eat out and take packed lunches due to dieting. People eat out so much now. When I was growing up we had a meal out once or twice a year for birthdays.
Nice healthy food costs money. Yes you can eat cheap healthy food but to stick to it and have variety it costs. I eat skyr protein yoghurt and berries for breakfast or free range eggs. Both much dearer than a big box of cereal.

SchrodingersImmigrant · 05/07/2020 20:05

I am always bit fascinated by a lack of knowledge of basic things like cooking.
It has never been easier to get the information needed. We can read billion of recipes online, billion of tips on how to x and y, watch millions of videos. All that actually instantly.

Maybe it's an "information fatigue"? Because it's all out there and easily accessible people just "meh" at it?

LostaraYil · 05/07/2020 20:08

Lots of good points on this thread. While I agree that it is down to personal choice for most people, I think pressure on the food industry would help reduce rates of obesity. Processed food should be more expensive and fresh food cheaper, and some things that we now know are harmful even though they were advertised as healthy should just be banned. Food labelling is misleading and it should be more clear that sugary snack foods like cereal and cereal bars are harmful. Education about food should also be changed as 'eating fat causes heart disease' is still taught and low fat diets (which usually contain more processed food) are encouraged. The reasons for obesity are complex and I'm sure there is no easy solution, but if people had less confusing information about food I think more people would have a chance of getting it right.

WorraLiberty · 05/07/2020 20:09

@SchrodingersImmigrant

I am always bit fascinated by a lack of knowledge of basic things like cooking. It has never been easier to get the information needed. We can read billion of recipes online, billion of tips on how to x and y, watch millions of videos. All that actually instantly.

Maybe it's an "information fatigue"? Because it's all out there and easily accessible people just "meh" at it?

There's no excuse for not learning to cook nowadays, as learning has never been easier.

People still moan that it's not taught in school but imo it's a basic skill that parents should be teaching their kids.

If they're not, then as you say there's always the internet.

Coyoacan · 05/07/2020 20:12

I agree, OP. In fact, our epidemiologist in Mexico has said repeatedly that Mexico has high rates of high blood pressure, diabetes and obesity thanks to processed food

Ylvamoon · 05/07/2020 20:16

I am always bit fascinated by a lack of knowledge of basic things like cooking.
It has never been easier to get the information needed

Unfamiliar ingredients and unknown preparation times are just two of the reasons why some people are unsure about cooking.

DestinationFkd · 05/07/2020 20:19

Mouths are for speaking with as well as stuffing.
They can say no, but choose to be fat instead.

LoeliaPonsonby · 05/07/2020 20:21

My car is capable of 140mph. Therefore Ford are clearly responsible for my speeding tickets, and Highways England for making the A roads such good quality that I can easily do 100mph plus. Nothing to do with my behaviour behind the wheel, then?

WorraLiberty · 05/07/2020 20:27

Unfamiliar ingredients and unknown preparation times are just two of the reasons why some people are unsure about cooking.

With millions of internet tutorials at their fingertips??

That would've been an understandable reason when we all had to trek down to the library and find a half decent cookbook but not now.

SchrodingersImmigrant · 05/07/2020 20:28

Unfamiliar ingredients and unknown preparation times are just two of the reasons why some people are unsure about cooking.

Again though. It has never been easier to obtain information including info about x ingredient and it's cooking time.

LoeliaPonsonby · 05/07/2020 20:31

Unfamiliar ingredients is a complete red herring - most people wouldn’t think twice about trying something new at a restaurant and paying £10 for a main course they might not like.

Iwantacookie · 05/07/2020 20:34

I think it's all factors together let's face it a lot of people have just lost their jobs and relying on food banks so just eating to survive is what they are focused on never mind what's in it. Budgets are stretched so much that people have to buy cheaper food just so everyone gets something in their stomach.
Also for some food is an addiction. Imagine trying to fight something that you cant quit entirely.

Blackandwhitehorse · 05/07/2020 20:45

Dr Rangan Chaterjee has some interesting podcasts on this topic, a lot of our obesity problems are down to our environment and nudge behaviours. They looked at some of the healthiest countries and found their environment had lots of healthy nudge behaviours - i.e. easy to walk/cycle to places. Whereas say America has lots of unhealthy nudge behaviours- i.e. you have to get in a car to get somewhere, very limited access to fresh fruit and veg.

Idontlikewednesdays · 05/07/2020 20:45

@AgeLikeWine

YABU.

I have been obese, and I am now a healthy weight. I know from lived experience that obesity is a choice. You, and you alone are responsible for what you choose to put in your mouth. Seeking to deflect blame onto others for your dietary choices indicates a refusal to accept adult personal responsibility.

You are so right. It is completely a choice, and it’s ridiculous to blame it on anyone or anything else. People are greedy and lack control.
NoIDontWatchLoveIsland · 05/07/2020 20:49

Of course the cheap availability of heavily marketed junk is a factor. Yet millions of people in the UK are not fat. So they are managing to shop in stores full of crap, yet eat healthily and exercise plenty, thus remaining slim? How?

I say this as someone who struggles to resist that stuff and is a good stone bigger than is healthy atm, but I know its because I am sugar addicted and have weak willpower and a bit of a lazy streak and that is my responsibility.

Blackandwhitehorse · 05/07/2020 20:50

I think also with the unfamiliar ingredients, if you are time poor or money poor, or both, then I doubt it’s a risk you would take.

SchrodingersImmigrant · 05/07/2020 20:53

The most frustrating thing on being obese and losing weight (finally) is the
"Oooh! I lost 2 stone! Nice! If only I did it when I was just 2 stone overweight 🙄 Could have been done now with no worry about extra skin and new freaking wardrobe. Stupid"

Alabamawhirly1 · 05/07/2020 20:59

I agree op. We set people down a road of processes food addiction from the day they are born.

We feed our babies processed formula, we then feed them processed foods when we ween them. Once they're eating its straight onto McDonald's, Cadburys and processed oven food.

Normal food is not part of many people's lives. So to suddenly change to eating whole foods in adulthood can be next to impossible.

We need to go back to natural food. I'm not perfect, I like my sweets and chocolate. But I was never given fast food or processed foods and I have never developed a taste for it. I've stayed slim all my life even after two babies.

Take aways and ready made crap is making people fat. And it's so normalised on TV. Adverts of slim people eating KFC for lunch mid week. That is not a normal or OK thing to do.

Alabamawhirly1 · 05/07/2020 21:03

People are greedy and lack control.

I think that's a bit harsh. A lot of people don't actually understand about healthy food, calories, portion size. A lot of people have also been wrongly led to believe that you can run of a bad diet - when you can't. Yoyo diets also mess up people's matabolisums making keeping weight off difficult m

Alabamawhirly1 · 05/07/2020 21:07

I agree, OP. In fact, our epidemiologist in Mexico has said repeatedly that Mexico has high rates of high blood pressure, diabetes and obesity thanks to processed food

I saw a documentary that was saying childhood malnutrition in Mexico makes them more susceptible to obesity as adults.

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