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To think 'big food' industry is to blame for the obesity epidemic, not individuals?

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aintnothinbutagstring · 05/07/2020 15:29

When I read on MN, and when I talk to people IRL, there's an underlying attitude to obesity that it is all down to willpower, or lack of, and individual choice over whether to be fat or thin. If we all tried a little harder and were disciplined, everyone could be their ideal weight.

I recently got on to reading some books on processed food, they are not new concepts, the ideas have been around a while. Lots of scientists and MDs from the US, where the obesity epidemic is a little further down the road than in the UK, have written about the addictive nature of processed food, books such as 'Wheat Belly', 'The Dorito Effect', Robert Lustig has done many talks on it. In the UK, Joanna Blythman has wrote quite a bit on the UK food industry.

Some have linked processed food to activating dopamine receptors in the brain so it works like other addictions. Yet cannot escape it once we walk into a supermarket, most of what is for sale there is very highly processed food. It's all sugar, salt, wheat, the bad fats (processed oils like rapeseed, not natural fats which are healthy). Flavours created by amazing scientists so you'd rather eat the flavour chemicals than the actual food.

Yet we are telling obese people, some of whom may be using food addiction to deal with past trauma, lifestyle stress etc, 'it is your choice, what you eat, you need to try harder, have more self respect, more willpower'.

I see obese people now as 'you are a victim of 'big food', the companies (only a handful of global billion pound companies) that produce and cleverly advertise and use supermarkets to sell this highly refined, highly addictive processed food'. If they were educated and told it's not their fault, they might decide they don't want to play the 'big food' game anymore.

OP posts:
Gwenhwyfar · 07/07/2020 16:27

I think you're right OP, though personal responsibility does come into it as well.
www.bbc.co.uk/programmes/b01k0fs0
Interesting programme 'The Men who made us Fat' - no longer available, but there are clips.

Gwenhwyfar · 07/07/2020 16:30

Some clips on YouTube

eddiemairswife · 07/07/2020 16:37

I have noticed that the more expensive the restaurant is the smaller the portions are.

fallfallfall · 07/07/2020 16:40

I was surprised by this list. I honestly thought the USA would be higher up. I thought India as well would be.

Gwenhwyfar · 07/07/2020 17:23

@eddiemairswife

I have noticed that the more expensive the restaurant is the smaller the portions are.
Yes. Fine dining is small portions. Rich people can afford not to have to worry about getting their money's worth. Those on low to modest incomes want big portions or filling food for their money.
totalpeas22 · 07/07/2020 17:24

No one is forced to eat McDonalds, Burger King, takeaway pizzas etc

Ylvamoon · 07/07/2020 17:56

Let's face it, while we feel the need to hide vegetables in our children's meals, schools telling children what they are allowed to have in their pack lunces and the only food available on children's menu is chicken nuggets and chips or pizza and chips; we are on a head on collision for more food related problems in the future.

And yes, the food industry will step up to the challenge and sell highly processed crap as healthy.

(Just look how many vegan products are suddenly available on the supermarket shelves... all processed, not a hint of thought towards the environment and nothingtodo with healthy eating!)

Macncheeseballs · 07/07/2020 18:13

I think fillet of fish is filling but then it depends how much you're used to eating I guess

canigooutyet · 07/07/2020 18:23

I don't really go into supermarkets, my entertainment is streaming and I very rarely see/hear ads.

I know these unhealthy things are out there, and like most people I have the basics to turn those healthy things into unhealthy things in my kitchen. So go ahead and close them all down, people will simply make them at home and school bake sales will sky rocket!!

Before these things became readily available on the shelves, people were making them at home and were fat due to a lack of exercise.

I've been obese and that was because I wasn't moving enough to compensate for what I was eating. At one point I was on a complete healthy diet, everything seasonal and fresh. I got fat because my portions were too big. Yet years ago before health issues kicked in, I lived on takeaways, chocolate and ice-cream etc yet I was so busy I was a healthy weight.

I hate eating in public because people comment about the portion sizes or how I eat so little. Nothing wrong with what I eat, just people have a skewed perception of an actual serving size.

Once we are addicted to these foods it's hard to come off because of the withdrawal effect, just like when you give up coffee etc. One way to help is to eat a banana.

Blackandwhitehorse · 07/07/2020 18:27

Are you serious?? Baking a whole say Victoria sponge cake is a little different to picking up a Mars bar?! I couldn’t be bothered to make a cake but it’s a constant battle for me not pick up a multi pack of mini rolls!

Blackandwhitehorse · 07/07/2020 18:30

And before these things were on our shelves we were slimmer, go figure. It’s one of many factors.

Blackandwhitehorse · 07/07/2020 18:32

It’s all well and good individuals sharing their personal experience, but you’re experience isn’t universal. That’s what people need to see. There’s also research out there you could read, figures for you to digest. As someone said earlier, just cause you aren’t addicted to food it doesn’t mean others aren’t.

feelingverylazytoday · 07/07/2020 18:41

I accidentally voted YANBU but I disagree with you, OP.
I will say upfront, I was obese for about ten years, all of my 40s. I lost the weight by the simple method of eating less and doing more excercise. It was difficult at times, but it's my body, it's up to me to look after it.
I really disagree with this idea that gaining weight is something that just 'happens' to us, that it's beyond our control. I think it encourages people to give up without even trying. Being a healthy weight is under our control for the vast majority of people. As difficult as it is, no one forces us to overeat or to eat crappy food. Most people in the UK have access to supermarkets which carry a budget range of foods at affordable, and most people in Britain can afford fuel and cooking facilities to cook simple recipes.
Of course there are a small number of people who have complex medical issues that make it more difficult to lose weight, and these people might need professional help, but that apply to most peopld

Blackandwhitehorse · 07/07/2020 18:47

No one puts a gun to our head. But the availability and addictive nature of certain food makes it incredibly difficult for a lot of people. Why stack the cards against people? Why not create a healthy environment and save money for the NHS.

Flyingagainstreason · 07/07/2020 18:50

WHY DO PEOPLE THINK ANECDOTAL STORIES EQUATE SCIENTIFIC EVIDENCE

SUGAR IS ADDICTIVE - it’s as addictive as CRACK

YOU FEED A BEE SUGAR WATER IT STOPS LOOKING FOR NUTRITIOUS POLLEN

ARE BEES LAZY??????????

bluefoxmug · 07/07/2020 18:58

YOU FEED A BEE SUGAR WATER IT STOPS LOOKING FOR NUTRITIOUS POLLEN

HUMANS ARE NOT BEES

Watermelontea · 07/07/2020 19:19

I honestly think that it’s a mixture of reasons why people are obese.
I feel that it’s mostly down to ease, cost and availability.
Why make something from scratch when you can bang a pizza in the oven?

You walk into a shop these days and its ‘Oh! That’s on offer, and it’s a bargain at £1.25! I’ll have that!’ 14 minutes in the oven and that’s it, done.
Whereas for my dinner I had a chicken, rice and vegetable dish which I made from scratch. It cost about £3 per portion, and whilst delicious and healthy, it took over half an hour to make.
The sad truth is that many people simply don’t have the time due to their busy schedules, nor do they have the money for this. And thats not even taking into account those who have never been taught to cook properly.
I was obese in past, and it’s only when I decided enough was enough, that I looked properly at the crap that supermarkets push at us all. With the special offers on junk, bright coloured packaging, and the catchy jingles and fun adverts for chocolate bars, I know exactly how I got that way.
It’s all so easy to access, and it’s a very slippery slope. So much of the behaviour is learnt from friends/family/people around us, that we don’t even stop to question whether we should sometimes.

A lot has been said about those in poverty or in food deserts, but what about those who are obese but aren’t on lower incomes and live in areas where they can access food readily? As there are lots of those I care to wager.
I feel portion size is the main culprit there, and it’s something many don’t look at.
As a child I was served MASSIVE portions of chilli, roast dinners, curries and the like, and it’s something I just accepted as normal and dishes up accordingly into my adult life. However I did calorie counting and found that I was actually giving myself 2-3x’s what the serving suggestion was recommending. No wonder I ended up at 15st despite being quite active!
Children become accustomed to large portions of food and so the cycle continues.

Gwenhwyfar · 07/07/2020 19:44

@Macncheeseballs

I think fillet of fish is filling but then it depends how much you're used to eating I guess
I don't eat big portions generally and am not overweight, but I think it's quite small as a meal without chips.
Blackandwhitehorse · 07/07/2020 19:45

@bluefoxmug no bees aren’t humans, but the point is animals and humans have evolved in order to survive - that means getting calorie dense food. The problem is the availability and addictive nature of some of it.

fallfallfall · 07/07/2020 19:47

home baking takes energy, your lifting and moving, then the dishes. you know what ingredient are going in your victoria sponge, you might even know where the eggs came from.
look on the back of the box mix/mars bar/you name it and most ingredients are not food, they are chemicals.

as it has been said before not all calories are equal.
and if you could not buy your favorite chocolate chip cookies (a box of which some may eat nightly in front of the tv) i doubt many would be making them daily. baking and clean up is a chore. the novelty soon wears off.

Coyoacan · 07/07/2020 19:50

I've never looked at the science behind this idea but I feel that our bodies keep on demanding food when they require a particular nutrient. So if our food is lacking in some basic nutrients, we'll feel the need to eat more in our search for what is missing from our diets.

Karwomannghia · 07/07/2020 19:55

I completely agree. We have free will but we’re not very good at using it properly and we’re hugely influenced by the media and marketing. It’s why we are not a lawless state and why we needed lockdown for example. People often don’t make sensible decisions when it comes to looking after their own bodies and laws and restrictions do help with that. Since smoking has become more restricted there are far fewer smokers for example.
There needs to be a better grip on the food industry to develop a healthier eating culture.

Gwenhwyfar · 07/07/2020 20:47

"Before these things became readily available on the shelves, people were making them at home"

Well, not really. Obesity levels have increased so much in the last few decades. Just comparing with the 80s and 90s will show a huge difference.

Flyingagainstreason · 07/07/2020 21:25

@bluefoxmug
Bees are highly intelligent and specifically made for a job - over millions of years
You offer them sugar water and within a week millions of years of evolution is gone.

Do you think we aren’t animals? Do you think we popped fully formed? Do you think if we are given highly addictive substances it’s just will power that stops us using them.

Macncheeseballs · 07/07/2020 21:55

I'm not hugely influenced by the media and marketing, I'm more influenced by the desire to live a long and healthy life

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