State school teachers moonlighting as private tutors during their 'working' hours

[UmbrellaHat]

Should be sacked
www.mirror.co.uk/news/uk-news/state-school-teachers-moonlighting-private-22303681

I am a doctor. A easy route to being in front of the GMC is to double dip. You cannot be earning from two jobs at the same time. If your job plan states it is NHS time then you can’t cover the private sector. You can argue that it wasn’t ‘unsafe’ and that ‘all the work was done’ but it doesn’t matter and you will be in big trouble.

There isn’t a job plan for teachers at the moment. Directed time has been set on fire by a global pandemic.

Some schools have specified working hours for their teachers, others haven’t.

I am just pointing out that it is very tightly regulated in medicine now, not so much in the past.

Do you have to inform your employer? I couldn’t have a second job without declaring it.

During school hours, teachers should be teaching. Not tutoring. Really simple.

And if they've done everything the school required them to do ?
Or if they work part time?
Or if they're on holiday because they worked during school holidays/half term?
Or if they have flexible working hours?
Or if they're shielding so someone else took over their main class and responsibilities?

There are schools that for various reasons are only open to one year group for example.
There are schools that have directed a small amount of hours to work from home. One I know said 2 hours a day for TA's and 4 for teachers.
There are schools that are ok with teachers doing their tasks whenever they see fit,as long as they're done.
There are schools that are open for most year groups with a couple of shielding staff whose majority of the work was absorbedby staff actually in school.

Even if all that wasn't the case, a small minority of teachers does not reflect on the whole profession and inflammatory headlines do not an accurate, unbiased view make.

a small minority of teachers does not reflect on the whole profession and inflammatory headlines do not an accurate, unbiased view make.
Especially when the article seems to go like this:

1. Headline: state school teachers earn £95 an hour instead of teaching!
2. Ok so we posed as parents a couple of people (conveniently all with non white British sounding names) said they were tutoring and could be available all day and we have no idea what their situation with their school is
3. The fee mentioned was actually £35

Of course the article worked in generating some good old-fashioned frothing though and Mumsnet hasn't let us down with claims that teachers are excusing people not doing their job, even though countless teachers have said disciplinary is available if required.

I think people move between here and the Mail to pursue their rabid loathing of teachers. Christ, it's wearisome

Some people on here seem to hate teachers so much, I'm amazed they don't home educate, rather than have their kids exposed to left-wing hypocrites.

They seem to hate home educating more.

Not sure why teachers try to always justify ourselves! I couldn’t care less what others think! I know what I do, so do the kids I teach that’s all that matters to me. Don’t rise to it and let’s enjoy our well deserved summer holiday

LakieLady

Don't forget teachers also:
Dislike students
Dislike teaching
Want blind obedience (aka think students should follow basic school rules)
Think they're Gods
Think nobody works as hard as them
Hate able children and are obviously intimidated by the child's brilliance
Simultaneously seem to only give the child with complex behaviour 100% of the attention or 0% of the attention, depending on which situation makes the teacher look worse
Couldn't survive in the magical 'real world'
Are only in the profession for the holidays
Should stop taking days off for PD days when parents can't take their child out for days out
Should keep their nose out where there are safeguarding concerns

@LolaSmiles

LakieLady Don't forget teachers also: Dislike students Dislike teaching Want blind obedience (aka think students should follow basic school rules) Think they're Gods Think nobody works as hard as them Hate able children and are obviously intimidated by the child's brilliance Simultaneously seem to only give the child with complex behaviour 100% of the attention or 0% of the attention, depending on which situation makes the teacher look worse Couldn't survive in the magical 'real world' Are only in the profession for the holidays Should stop taking days off for PD days when parents can't take their child out for days out Should keep their nose out where there are safeguarding concerns

And are all controlled by those awful all powerful unions who are encouraging them not to teach.

Actually I have a question for OP and everyone else jumping on her bandwagon. If you care so much about fairness,greed, inequality of teaching and outcomes etc...

Where were you when SEN schools were forced to shut?
Where were you when the budgets for schools, CAHMS ,youth services ,sure start, children centres and SS were cut?
Where were you when teachers were buying food for children out of their pockets?
Where were you when teachers bought resources for pupils out of their pockets?
Where were you when budgets were decimated so TA's had to cover and teach whole classes?
Where were you when SEN diagnosis and support became a postcode lottery?
Where were you when councils made up their own rules and hoops to jump through regarding what funding schools can receive for SEND children?
Where were you when the Gvnmt kept changing the goalposts?
Where were you when teachers gave their time for free to offer after school clubs or summer clubs to children?

Where were you when thousands of children have been failed or fell through the cracks due to pressure, budget cuts, massive workloads etc?

Where were you when budget cuts that meant reducing staff and increased class sizes meant unsafe conditions for staff and pupils?

Where were you when it has been said again and again that there's a teacher retention crisis?

Where the hell have you been in the past years?

I am a doctor. A easy route to being in front of the GMC is to double dip. You cannot be earning from two jobs at the same time. If your job plan states it is NHS time then you can’t cover the private sector. You can argue that it wasn’t ‘unsafe’ and that ‘all the work was done’ but it doesn’t matter and you will be in big trouble.

Yes, Lucked, but surely you can see that during lockdown when schools were closed, if the school's only requirement is that its teachers set (and mark, where appropriate) a specified amount of work each day/week and make it available online for each of the classes they teach, then the teacher could be preparing and uploading those lessons at 8pm, or indeed 2 in the morning if they feel like it or if that's what suits them.

So, while tutoring during 'school hours' might in literal terms be against the rules of their contract, this makes little practical sense during a time when there effectively temporarily are no 'school hours'. Yes,no doubt they can still get in trouble for it, but calling it greedy or implying it's morally wrong is frankly ridiculous.

Incidentally, I am a teacher and earn from multiple jobs all the time. I work in 6 different schools and do private tutoring as well.

I've spent a lot of time lately teaching my own dc during school hours. School fully aware of this. Boss doing the same. All my work gets done, often in the evening. So what?

18:13ComeOnBabyPopMyBubble Op will have been busy teacher bashing to distract attention away from all of them I imagine

ComeOnBabyPopMyBubble, Good question.

But then they all pop up and assume that the strikes about funding a few years back were all about pay.

Would you like teachers to stick to only working in the hours they are paid for? Are you sure?

This is an excellent question.

I would really like to know what a few posters on here do for a living.
Then I could pile in and tell them how I think they should be doing their job and when in the day they can take a pee break and put the kettle on.

Why the FUCK do people think their opinion on teachers' working day counts for anything?

We have employed a state school teacher as private tutor during school hours- I never realised it wasn’t allowed! He has moved the time to evenings now the teacher is teaching back at school but I couldn’t get into trouble re this right?! I mean he advised on a tutor website and we took it from there but he suggested the time!

I had to get a signed thing from my head when I signed up to a tutoring site. I usually do it after school hours.

Not sure it matters when it is done as long as you have fulfilled all your school obligations. If your school is actively not running online lessons then there is no structure for teachers to use.

We can’t use students data from the school system for setting up private groups for teaching because of a combination of safeguarding and GDPR.

Wow UmbrellaHat a article with no evidence from the mirror and the mail you must be getting desperate.

My kids are getting next to no work. The little they do doesn’t get marked. So if teachers at their school were tutoring during school hours, yes, I’d be annoyed.

Only 9 pages? I think people are getting bored of these threads. Now they know that their children should be going back in September, these threads just aren't as...interesting anymore.

@Singlebutmarried

We’ve had no contact from our school until 2 weeks ago.

If my DDs teachers had been teaching other kids whilst we’ve been struggling at home (both working and crappy pdf sheets to do) then yes I’d be beyond miffed.

If it’s being carried out by a contracted teacher in their working hours, then personally I think it’s all shades of wrong.

As a side note a friend who works in the state school system has said that teachers have been actively encouraged by the unions not to teach and dissuade at all costs in order to negotiate a better pay deal.

The last paragraph is not my opinion, just what I’ve been told.

The last paragraph of your post is a load of utter bullshit

Qasd have a big think about whether you, a parent, could get in trouble (with whom? The law? The headmaster?) for hiring a tutor. Seriously.

pooiepooie25

Your "friend" is looking for gullible fools that they can troll.