State school teachers moonlighting as private tutors during their 'working' hours

[UmbrellaHat]

Should be sacked
www.mirror.co.uk/news/uk-news/state-school-teachers-moonlighting-private-22303681

Anyone sharing the Daily Mail is a disgrace. The DM has had it in for teachers for a long time. I used to be a secondary school teacher in Manchester. It was an exhausting job for lowish pay. Leave teachers alone. The profession has been haemorrhaging teachers for years. This new desire to kill them off with Covid and shame will harm your kids the most in the end.

Plenty of doctors do both NHS and private work. Surely people can work as much as they choose to. It seems a pretty logical conclusion that teachers make good tutors. If they are needing to earn extra money then they can. They aren't harming anyone.

@echt indeed! The OP appears to have mysteriously disappeared. Perhaps she's scouring the DM for more fodder...

Children,teachers and schools have been badly let down by the Government for years before the pandemic. It's only become apparent now because it's widespread. Because it affects you. The difference in progress,opportunities etc has been massive and a "thing" for ages.Put the blame where it belongs.

This x 1 billion. Where has the outrage been as the education sector and children’s services have been decimated by cuts? My DP is a teacher in secondary. He teaches Science (that’s his specialism). He also teaches PE, History, Computer Science and English to a set 1 class. He has literally no idea about 3 of the subjects he teaches. I have to coach him through the English and History (I’m an English teacher). But he has to do this because his school are stretched to breaking point staff wise because their funding is chronic. As a parent I’d be fucking LIVID that my child was being taught GCSE content by a non specialist. Where is the outrage that state school pupils are systematically placed at a huge disadvantage because the government have ruined state education?

Maybe they're all taking TOIL built up from all the hours they put in working outside their normal hours.

The teacher bashing on here from some quarters is really absurd.

Interesting that teachers, I instead of condemning the 'tiny minority', that let down their profession, choose to defend them instead. They would gain more respect for aiming for high professional standards.

@OfTheNight, Exactly!
And parents are only discovering the extent to which teachers have been plugging the gaps for years.
Those parents are about to get a whole lot angrier.

@UmbrellaHat

Interesting that teachers, I instead of condemning the 'tiny minority', that let down their profession, choose to defend them instead. They would gain more respect for aiming for high professional standards.

"Higher professional standards" does not include slagging off one's peers in public and entering into a witch hunt organised by the likes of you.

I am not sure anyone has defended them anyway!

People have pointed out that is a teacher (or almost any worker) was found to be doing another job , by their employer, during working hours, they would be disciplined.

You then said they should be volunteering. Which, if they were doing during working hours btw, they would also be disciplined for, if it was found there were aspects of their role they weren't fulfilling.

I am not going to RTFT again but find me a post where specifically a teacher has defended a teacher's right to take extra earnings while not working under the instructions of their headteacher and discharging their role.

@UmbrellaHat, why bother to post then about this 'tiny minority'? What are your thoughts on the majority? Oh, wait, you read the Mirror, so you won't be getting exposed to anything like that. Yes, in any profession, there are bad eggs, but throughout this lockdown you have chosen to focus on them. Why? What's your career out of interest?

@UmbrellaHat, why bother to post then about this 'tiny minority'?

This is like asking why a dog licks its genitals.

Because it can.

[quote Flatwhite32]@UmbrellaHat, why bother to post then about this 'tiny minority'? What are your thoughts on the majority? Oh, wait, you read the Mirror, so you won't be getting exposed to anything like that. Yes, in any profession, there are bad eggs, but throughout this lockdown you have chosen to focus on them. Why? What's your career out of interest? [/quote]
Rabid, illogical hatred overcomes good sense, as we've seen.

Haha @echt that made me chuckle!

I don't know why we engage, tbh. The venom is right there in the speech marks in the OP title.

Well in Wales we have been using private tutors for years to help our children out in areas/subjects they are weak in. No-one moaned about it then. What has changed?

When I was a poor young person working for council Monday to Friday I supplemented my income by doing evenings and weekend work in a pub, many people have to take on more than one job.

umbrella
The issue is your criticism makes no sense as it seems to be:

1. How dare a minority of teachers do tutoring instead of their job, and here's a link to a daily mail article
2. Anyway, if they have free time they should volunteer in all these other areas instead of doing their job.

You're just trying to orchestrate the usual silly threads and get people onto the hot topic of zoom lessons and lazy teachers.

If a teacher (or anyone) is acting in breach of their contact then there are procedures to follow, including disciplinary.

Unfortunately saying teachers they should be volunteering whilst complaining about teachers doing other things that aren't their job means you come across as a bit of a goady one.

Teachers are paid to teach kids in school hours. NOT to get paid for private tutoring in school hours. Unacceptable.

Still waiting for UmbrellaHat to tell us what volunteering s/he does.

@AlwaysCheddar

Teachers are paid to teach kids in school hours. NOT to get paid for private tutoring in school hours. Unacceptable.

Would you like teachers to stick to only working in the hours they are paid for? Are you sure?

During school hours, teachers should be teaching. Not tutoring. Really simple.

Why, at the moment? What difference does it make if you're working from home and not in direct contact with your usual students, under the direction of your Head Teacher?
If you work from home, do you never, say, put a load of washing on or nip round with the hoover and catch up with the work stuff later on, maybe "after hours?"

My classes aren’t in school though. I can teach them remotely but that doesn’t require us being in the same place at the same time, so insisting on particular working hours seems a bit daft.

Is it the hours that are important to you rather than the work being completed? That seems like presenteeism.

But more to the point, AlwaysCheddar, would you mind explaining what the fuck it's got to do with you how teachers structure their working day?