State school teachers moonlighting as private tutors during their 'working' hours

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Should be sacked
www.mirror.co.uk/news/uk-news/state-school-teachers-moonlighting-private-22303681

What on earth is the point of this thread? I really don't understand the problem here. I am quite sure that a majority of people working from home are working more flexibly than usual. Who cares if a teacher fits in a tutoring session on their lunch break or even during their working day so long as they get all of their work done. My DCs teacher set all of the weeks work on a Sunday and another one always emails me back the same day that I submit work, usually after 8pm. If a teacher is working weekends and evenings, are they not allowed some time off during normal working hours? Of course they are! I am quite sure this is a very small minority doing this and I am also quite sure that they will be getting their work done even if some is done outside of traditional working hours. So what exactly is the issue??

@pooiepooie25

I do wonder if that poster has confused an episode of Grange Hill for real life.
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@ComeOnBabyPopMyBubble excellent post and I guess we could add more ...

Where were you when funding for music lessons was cut?
Where were you when schools were selling assets to balance the budget?

What on earth is the point of this thread? I really don't understand the problem here.

Perhaps another excuse for a bitchfest about teachers because we haven't had one of those for a long time, have we?

I am employed by my college part time and shock horror I also do private tuition.

@ComeOnBabyPopMyBubble

Those whinging about teachers would have been doing the same thing then.

So if teachers at their school were tutoring during school hours, yes, I’d be annoyed.

You can "be annoyed" all you like, but it's sod all to do with you. It is between your local Head Teacher and their staff.

@StaffAssociationRepresentative I know. There are many other things that could be added, but I tried to keep it fairly short and based on my personal experience.

This doesn’t surprise me. I’ve not had contact with a single teacher since March! They must be busy doing something.....

I just had an epithany (whilst washing up) as to where all the anger has come from:
A) Many people have realised the sheer amount of bullshit their job entails, the many hours commuting, the hours sat in meetings which serve no purpose, the hours pushing paperwork or numbers around screens, in short the general pointlessness of their jobs.
B) That teachers spend more time with their children than they do, they get to see the highs and lows, to watch them grow, to help understand the world, to see that spark in a childs eyes when a concept clicks, to laugh with them (and cry for them when they're not there) in short we get to parent 30 children a year.
C) They are jealous of our super human powers of coaxing work and learning out of 30 of them day in day out, when they, the parents were thinking about boarding school by day eight of lockdown. They are jealous that it is teachers that shape young minds into the adults that they will become.

I find in my job there's no point getting hung up or angry about the failures of some parents to be a decent human being to their children because i've learnt over the years that I can't do anything about them. This world view allows me to do EVERYTHING I can for the children in my class because they allow me the privilege of the best job in the world which is helping them to grow.

I honestly don't understand why this is a problem.
As long as they are getting their day job done to a decent standard, then doing tutoring makes perfect sense.
I think there should be more flexibility in working hours at these times so tutoring during the day when they are at home preparing lessons is fine as long as the lessons still get prepared on time.

@ComeOnBabyPopMyBubble

Actually I have a question for OP and everyone else jumping on her bandwagon. If you care so much about fairness,greed, inequality of teaching and outcomes etc...

Where were you when SEN schools were forced to shut?
Where were you when the budgets for schools, CAHMS ,youth services ,sure start, children centres and SS were cut?
Where were you when teachers were buying food for children out of their pockets?
Where were you when teachers bought resources for pupils out of their pockets?
Where were you when budgets were decimated so TA's had to cover and teach whole classes?
Where were you when SEN diagnosis and support became a postcode lottery?
Where were you when councils made up their own rules and hoops to jump through regarding what funding schools can receive for SEND children?
Where were you when the Gvnmt kept changing the goalposts?
Where were you when teachers gave their time for free to offer after school clubs or summer clubs to children?

Where were you when thousands of children have been failed or fell through the cracks due to pressure, budget cuts, massive workloads etc?

Where were you when budget cuts that meant reducing staff and increased class sizes meant unsafe conditions for staff and pupils?

Where were you when it has been said again and again that there's a teacher retention crisis?

Where the hell have you been in the past years?

Totally agree. It always shocks me that people always go on about how viral schools are for supporting vulnerable families rather than being absolutely horrified that services have been cut so much there is virtually nowhere else for vulnerable families to access support.

Why keep feeding it?

Totally agree. It always shocks me that people always go on about how viral schools are for supporting vulnerable families rather than being absolutely horrified that services have been cut so much there is virtually nowhere else for vulnerable families to access support.
I also agree, but then a good number of those people will have voted for the policies that negatively affect services.

Plus some on here haven't a clue about disadvantage. Remember all the posts where posters were furious at how disadvantaged state students weren't getting live lessons like the private school and when people pointed out that not every household has enough devices or the facilities to do live lessons, the posters shrugged and essentially said 'yes well we can't hold everyone back just because some people are poor... my DC have laptops and tablets and I want them to have the same as the private school'

That teachers spend more time with their children than they do, they get to see the highs and lows, to watch them grow, to help understand the world, to see that spark in a childs eyes when a concept clicks, to laugh with them (and cry for them when they're not there) in short we get to parent 30 children a year.

Could your post hold any more distain for parents? I’ve picked this but to quote but frankly I could have quoted the whole thing.

A. My job is far from pointless, I work with vulnerable families and traumatised adults helping them heal and recover from the most awful of life experiences.

B. My children are at school for 6 hours a day, two days a week they also have 3 hours of childcare so that’s 36 hours a week. The other 132 hours in the week they’re with me - there’s no way my kids spend more time with their teacher than with me. And teachers aren’t parenting my kids - they’re teaching them.

C. I’ve enjoyed having my kids at home, it’s been lovely to spend time with them and watch them grow - and to see where they’re struggling at school and why, and to try different approaches to learning.

Take your epiphany and fuck off.

Don't think you can include sleeping time.

I’m pretty sure I’m still parenting my kids during sleep time - they still come through for cuddles, if they’re sick or unsettled I’m the one they call for, I’m the one who settles them through night terrors. Pretty sure their teacher isn’t the one redirecting them back when they sleep walk...

No need to swear

Wow, jellycat, maybe now you begin to understand how teachers feels when people who know nothing about their profession or their lives as individuals come on here and tell them how things should be?

That’s nonsense lostmy

I think teachers need to grow up and stop the silliness, quite frankly.

I think teachers need to grow up and stop the silliness, quite frankly

“Teachers”? What, all of us? What have I done?

Quite. So my sentence doesn’t apply to you? So why can’t we apply the same logic elsewhere

darkcaramel
I think people should keep their opinions to themselves in areas where they simply don't know enough or don't have enough information.

There's too many people at the moment who think having a child makes them experts in school leadership when they quite evidently haven't a clue what goes into running a school or the range of factors that might affect decision making. We've had a window into some of the planning and discussions our senior leadership team have had and I don't envy them at all.

I've got friends in several secondary schools. The provison differs between them. The schools have different contexts and different challenges and different plans because they are different schools. I guarantee that in each school some parents have been complaining about the same things:

• too much work
• too little work
• too much contact from school
• too little contact from school
• why aren't you doing zoom lessons because some schools are

That's several schools, all with different provision, all getting the same criticisms.

It doesn't matter what a school does at the moment, it won't appeal to everyone. Thankfully most people don't take to Mumsnet to have a go at any given opportunity like some posters on here.

i'm not a teacher but i am fed up with twats moaning about them, if teachers, who are paid to educate your dc, not raise them, aren't good enough why don't you moaners either home school your own dc through their next upteen years or let the professionals get on with their job and stfu !

Not sure what silliness I see. The only infantile behaviour tbh came from the OP in her puerile response to a poster, whilst not engaging in any of the more detailed responses.

I understand why the post might have touched a nerve in jellycat but I also hope you can see that your last bit
I’ve enjoyed having my kids at home, it’s been lovely to spend time with them and watch them grow - and to see where they’re struggling at school and why, and to try different approaches to learning.

hasn't actually been a particularly common response or reaction on MN.

To be fair we do 'parent' though as we are frequently told when we are reminded we act 'in loco parentis'. you must feel that weight of responsibility too in your line of work. And to be constantly told instead that we are feckless and shiftless slackers is wearing, especially as most teachers take their job very seriously.