State school teachers moonlighting as private tutors during their 'working' hours

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Should be sacked
www.mirror.co.uk/news/uk-news/state-school-teachers-moonlighting-private-22303681

Quite.

I've been teaching long enough not to call anyone a bully, but to describe their behaviour as such.

In the same way I lamented my lack of teaching skills in the Prometeah task of getting you to be rational in your posts, darkcarmel

Promethean!

How is that even an autocorrect?

Oh well that’s all right then: you weren’t calling me a chimp; just comparing myself intelligence to one because I disagree with you. That’s not rude at all.

echt you are shockingly rude, defensive and unpleasant yet accuse others of being rude (because I told you to give over with your daffodils, admittedly in stronger language than that but seriously, it’s patronising and rude in itself) defensive and unpleasant. Seriously, and calling someone a chimp, whether comparison or not, is out of order.

sorry I’m not accepting that sooty, it was an insult, even if you don’t take it at face value (incidentally I didn’t but I think it’s a pretty appalling thing to say at the moment.)

I'd report it.

The logic is pretty subtle and you might wing it past the moderators.

You don't know what they think. Only what they say or do. Are you a mind reader?

I don’t need to read minds, the views represented throughout this thread and across Mumsnet by people who identify as teachers is pretty clear and consistent.

No. I think it should stay, so everyone can see it.

No. I think it should stay, so everyone can see it.

@darkcaramel

You just called me a chimp. echt, so I really wouldn’t start to play the ‘she was rude’ competition. Completely out of order.

She didn’t call you a chimp.

But I do think - and this is a very general point about teaching and schools - that starting from a position of defensiveness can be harmful. I think it’s something teachers are a little prone towards, and it can be counterproductive

I think teachers are increasingly fed up of any Tom, Dick and Harry deciding to weigh in on how we should do out jobs.

I think teachers are increasingly fed up of the sheer number of posters who are more interested in expressing their chips on their shoulder about teachers than helping posters resolve situations.

I've come across no teachers who are needlessly defensive, but loads who get exasperated when they come across the same old garbage.

It's almost like posters post goady crap and then if teachers challenge it they say 'oooh touchy, can't say anything about teachers without them being defensive...can't ever criticise a teacher...'

At any rate echt I have finally sat down and will respond to you properly.

people defend when they feel attacked I think that’s the problem, to be honest. If someone is just being goady, best ignored, but when it’s a genuine query, it’s not attacking you or me personally any more than a grumble about a rude checkout assistant is attacking retail staff en masse. That’s what I do find quite difficult about the cries of “teacher bashing” on here.

On the whole, I don’t think my school have done too bad a job, but it hasn’t been brilliant by any stretch of the imagination, largely because there’s been so much fussing about aspects that aren’t really important that we’ve lost sight of what actually is important, but again, that’s schools, I’ve certainly sat in numerous meetings where the minutiae of details has been focused on and the actual important point is lost. I find that frustrating, so I don’t blame others when they do too.

And I really do genuinely think the comment comparing my intelligence to a chimp was awful and I’m surprised you can’t see just how rude it was. I’m also surprised and disappointed sooty is apparently in full support of it.

echt disagreed with my post and stated she would get ‘more intelligence from a chimp.’

If I said someone was ‘uglier than a dog’ then I think we’d all agree that was pretty unpleasant, and the chimp aspect particularly so at the moment and it genuinely does sadden me people think that is in any way acceptable. It has connotations of racism and it is not on.

@darkcaramel

At any rate echt I have finally sat down and will respond to you properly.

people defend when they feel attacked I think that’s the problem, to be honest. If someone is just being goady, best ignored, but when it’s a genuine query, it’s not attacking you or me personally any more than a grumble about a rude checkout assistant is attacking retail staff en masse. That’s what I do find quite difficult about the cries of “teacher bashing” on here.

On the whole, I don’t think my school have done too bad a job, but it hasn’t been brilliant by any stretch of the imagination, largely because there’s been so much fussing about aspects that aren’t really important that we’ve lost sight of what actually is important, but again, that’s schools, I’ve certainly sat in numerous meetings where the minutiae of details has been focused on and the actual important point is lost. I find that frustrating, so I don’t blame others when they do too.

And I really do genuinely think the comment comparing my intelligence to a chimp was awful and I’m surprised you can’t see just how rude it was. I’m also surprised and disappointed sooty is apparently in full support of it.

I didn't say I was in full support of it. I simply stated that factually you were wrong.

Therefore showing your support for it: there was no added message ‘but it was inappropriate’, was there?

LolaSmiles
Plus some on here haven't a clue about disadvantage. Remember all the posts where posters were furious at how disadvantaged state students weren't getting live lessons like the private school and when people pointed out that not every household has enough devices or the facilities to do live lessons, the posters shrugged and essentially said 'yes well we can't hold everyone back just because some people are poor...my DC have laptops and tablets and I want them to have the same as the private school'

Do you think qualified teachers should pledge not to give their own dc live lessons at the kitchen table so as not to create an advantage over others, particularly poor children?

Teacher on this thread:
"I've spent a lot of time lately teaching my own dc during school hours. School fully aware of this. Boss doing the same. All my work gets done, often in the evening. So what?"

How is this scenario any different from the parents in your post, who are not qualified teachers, who don't want their own dc to be 'held back in their learning?

I didn’t think I had to, smile.

I thought people were being a little more careful perhaps due to the prominence of BLM. Note I am NOT saying that this was the intent; I don’t think it was, but carelessness and ignorance are not poles apart.

I would rather not get into a silly word game about chimpanzees, they are bright, as are rats, it still isn’t a compliment to be compared to one and actually speaking of defensiveness I really was rather upset by it, which probably makes ME defensive, but there we go.

I thought people were being a little more careful perhaps due to the prominence of BLM. Note I am NOT saying that this was the intent; I don’t think it was, but carelessness and ignorance are not poles apart

Wow. I’m absolutely appalled that you made that leap. How dare you.

@darkcaramel

Therefore showing your support for it: there was no added message ‘but it was inappropriate’, was there?

I'm not under any obligation to state an opinion one way or the other.

I dare because it is wrong.

We do not call people, compare people, to apes, because it is cruel and wrong.

Traditionally it was done to black people as a way of keeping them in their place, like animals, not worthy of respect and dignity as a human, sub-par in intelligence.

If someone who is educated genuinely does not understand why I had such a strong visceral response to that then I am saddened.

In the same way we do not use slag and slut and bitch to insult women we don’t like, chimp, gorilla, ape, shouldn’t be used to insult someone’s intelligence.

It has connotations, regardless of what the original intentions were.

So keep your outrage. I am not going to be silenced or shut up on this one.

Except you did, sooty. You supported echt.

You are now saying that you didn’t. You did. You supported the woman who compared another poster to a chimp.

@darkcaramel

Except you did, sooty. You supported echt.

You are now saying that you didn’t. You did. You supported the woman who compared another poster to a chimp.

Please yourself. It's not what I said. I wasn't the only poster to say it either. What you infer as a result of my statement of fact is your responsibility.

I’m not pleased. I’m really rather upset, actually, that the comment has been defended.

Had you believed the comment was wrong, you would have said so, given that you didn’t hesitate to tell me I was wrong.

You supported the woman who compared another poster to a chimp

She didn't because I didn't.

Neat derail ) look there, not here): describe someone's intelligence as less than a chimp and avoid the uncomfortable point of the thread -ie 'key workers' moonlighting during a national emergency. I wonder what they compare their pupils' intelligence to?