State school teachers moonlighting as private tutors during their 'working' hours

[UmbrellaHat]

Should be sacked
www.mirror.co.uk/news/uk-news/state-school-teachers-moonlighting-private-22303681

Even the contentious post that (I think) you are referring to said “many” and “some”.

On that logic, women on here shouldn’t ask questions about childbirth (leave it to the doctors and midwives) either.

I don’t disagree that sometimes the tone to some posts is ridiculous but as with this post, they are very quickly told to pack it in. What DOESN’T help is screaming teacher bashing every single time someone mentions a teacher or a school!

@darkcaramel

That’s nonsense lostmy

I think teachers need to grow up and stop the silliness, quite frankly.

so dark is an expert on education and schooling, that's nice.

True, but this OP is a bona fide, card carrying Teacher Baiter.

As dom says, we need to stop feeding it.

Sorry my true comment was in response to dark.

I haven’t said I am an expert I think you need to check your comprehension skills, romeo!

Now I do agree with that piggy! But that’s the point really: there’s a difference between AIBU to think teachers are so stupid and never do anything right, in which case the shrieks of teacher-bashing are JUST what they want, and AIBU to be concerned about the lack of contact from DS’s school, which IMO is a reasonable question, and doesn’t deserve to be bellowed down by accusations of teacher bashing, which in itself as a phrase is a bit embarrassing! I mean, we are grown ups: we can cope with someone being critical of teaching, surely!

On that logic, women on here shouldn’t ask questions about childbirth (leave it to the doctors and midwives) either.
That really doesn't follow from what I said at all.
To use the childbirth analogy:

Poster 1: Has a question about their medical care because they've heard contradictory advice in different places. They ask what other people have been told, get some shared experiences and some advice on how to navigate their own healthcare during pregnancy and birth.

Poster 2: Had an appointment with an abrupt midwife and wasn't told they can't guarantee the use of the birthing pool. Poster 2 comes on Mumsnet and starts a thread asking why the hell midwives are paid if they don't bother listening to women, it's their right to have the birth they want exactly as they want it. Midwives think they're so important because they've got a degree and they're not even interested in women or babies. Several posters tell the OP what a hospital that has nothing to do with them should be doing when they have no access to the OP's notes, no knowledge of the hospital, and no relevant professional knowledge.
When a midwife joins the thread and suggests speaking to the appropriate people or arranging to speak to PALs, the mob on the thread start claiming midwives are closing ranks and think they are above criticism and always claim they work harder than everyone else.

Poster 1 is posting in good faith and will probably get a range of experiences and some steps to help their situation.
Poster 2 and the mob are only interested in patting each other on the back in a circle jerk about how crap midwives are.

Problem is lola both the equivalent posts would bring cries of teacher bashing on here.

To be honest, I really, really don’t care if people want to bash teachers. It doesn’t impact me or my life in any way whatsoever, and I suppose that’s why I find it difficult to understand what it is people get so upset about. I find it really odd. But we are all different.

But I do think - and this is a very general point about teaching and schools - that starting from a position of defensiveness can be harmful. I think it’s something teachers are a little prone towards, and it can be counterproductive.

Wow. Teachers being told to fuck off and piss off. Now we know where the kids get it, eh?!

To be honest, I really, really don’t care if people want to bash teachers. It doesn’t impact me or my life in any way whatsoever

But I do think - and this is a very general point about teaching and schools - that starting from a position of defensiveness can be harmful. I think it’s something teachers are a little prone towards, and it can be counterproductive

Gosh yes, I wonder why some teachers are defensive 🤔

Notice how darkcaramel never answers the questions.

What did you ask me?

Scroll up.

Oh, sorry. I thought those were a load of barked commands. It would make more sense I suppose if I’d ever said doctors should be exempt. As for defensive about what - come on! Am I the ONLY one who has sat in a meeting post OFSTED where everyone insists it wasn’t fair?

Wow. Teachers being told to fuck off and piss off. Now we know where the kids get it, eh?!

Wow, parents being infantilised and patronised.

If you cared to look, I’m broadly supportive of teachers, I work across a range of professions and value what each of them bring to the table but teaching isn’t parenting. The support from my kids school has been minimal, I know across the teachers I work with some are working flat out and some have spent most of lockdown in the garden - much the same as most other professions. I don’t have a judgement about that.

I do have an issue with teachers thinking they’re above criticism or thinking that criticising one means criticising them all. Or claiming that they know my child better than I do, or that they spend more time with my child than I do, or that they have more influence over their social, moral, psychological development than I do. In usual times my kids teachers and I work as a team, I don’t assume to know how best to educate my kids and they don’t tell me how to parent - we use the same strategies at home and school to support my kids wherever possible and I appreciate the team work. I can also recognise that during lockdown the teachers and school support has been minimal. Both can be true.

Wow. Teachers being told to fuck off and piss off. Now we know where the kids get it, eh?! Wow, parents being infantilised and patronised

I think the first was about darkcaramel's rude response to my post. Which I reported.

Not sure what any of this has to with attitudes towards parents because I haven't expressed any.

I do have an issue with teachers thinking they’re above criticism or thinking that criticising one means criticising them all

You don't know what they think. Only what they say or do. Are you a mind reader?

Gosh a lot of posters are swearing today - no need for it

You just called me a chimp. echt, so I really wouldn’t start to play the ‘she was rude’ competition. Completely out of order.

@darkcaramel

You just called me a chimp. echt, so I really wouldn’t start to play the ‘she was rude’ competition. Completely out of order.

No she didn't.

No sorry I’m not accepting that sooty, it was an insult, even if you don’t take it at face value (incidentally I didn’t but I think it’s a pretty appalling thing to say at the moment.)