To think Prince Andrew needs to stop being bewildered and...

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get himself over to the States to account for his actions and to give evidence for those poor victims of abuse. He's a bloody disgrace.

@DGRossetti who do you have in mind?

The Queens ancestor wrote a long and detailed treatise where they decided that a subjects role was to obey the monarch

He is going to be pretty much stuck in the UK now and definitely won't be on holiday in the States.

Andrew has always been dreadful. Treating anyone except high royalty as scum. From what I understand he is pretty thick (apparently Meghan Markle is e brightest of the royal family which isn't a great omen).

He should be answering questions and can easily do it on UK soil. I doubt he will as his interview with Emily Maitless shows how thick he is and detached from reality...he thought it went well! He wouldn't have a chance with a bright US Attorney and I suspect the advice he has is don't go near an interview but keep saying he is willing.

I listen to an American podcast where they re-investigate crimes where they think the perp was innocent and in several cases have actually achieved a reversal of the conviction (Truth and Justice -recommended!) and they say that the accused has nothing to gain from talking to the police -whether they are guilty or innocent. Either way better to remain silent. Given that PA is an intellectual amoeba, his lawyers will definitely be advising him not to talk to them even as a 'witness'.

Either way better to remain silent.

Not enough Americans watch this video.

Which has some relevance to the UK.

Bottom line is it's the prosecutions job to build a case against you, not your job to build your case against theirs.

@DGRossetti. Very interesting video

If he does not want to be interviewed, he can simply make a statement via his legal team, saying he respects the fifth amendment and will make no comment if questioned.

Otherwise agree to be interviewed via the US embassy premises.

@MorningJuly

If he does not want to be interviewed, he can simply make a statement via his legal team, saying he respects the fifth amendment and will make no comment if questioned.

Otherwise agree to be interviewed via the US embassy premises.

Why should he get to tell the FBI how to do their job ?

Unless he’s accused of underage sex then leave him be.

I think it's not just the sex - the FBI will want to know who else Andrew saw at Epstein's house because there may be big fish that they can't prove we're friends of Epstein/Maxwell.

Age of consent in Florida is 18 and I think he's accused of having sex with under 18s there too. Plus the women are trafficked so can't really consent.

Interesting notion about the 5th Amendment. I wonder if that is why Sacoolas is resisting an extradition to the UK. Do they perceive the legal system as incriminating people more easily than theirs and distrust the UK because there is no equivalent 5th?

I'd imagine it is difficult to investigate PA from the US. They were able to search Epstein's property and detain him. He had removed some computers before this unfortunately. PA has been accused of involvement in sexual activity with a trafficked girl and on the Netflix programme a maintenance guy independently confirmed he saw him grinding away in the Virgin Islands with Virginia Roberts. But he is out of reach, not much besides word of mouth and he would probably be protected by the British state in any event.

Mind you, if the interview with Maitlis is anything to go by, everything coming out of his mouth sounds so unbelievable that I can understand why he is avoiding answering questions in any legal setting.

I have no time for Prince Andrew. But that woman who killed the teenage boy and is now driving round putting two fingers up at every one puts me in a total rage.

nteresting notion about the 5th Amendment. I wonder if that is why Sacoolas is resisting an extradition to the UK. Do they perceive the legal system as incriminating people more easily than theirs and distrust the UK because there is no equivalent 5th?

Anne Sacoolas is a coward who took advantage of a diplomatic convention to avoid facing up to what she did.

Although we don’t have a right to silence enshrined in a written constitution here, we do have very similar long-standing legal rights not to have to speak so if they think that’s a significant difference they are wrong.
In her case the facts don’t appear to be in dispute - it’s unlikely she’d try to claim it never happened; she just found a way to get away with it.

I think they should be required to hand him over.

I hope PA is quaking in his slimy boots although I doubt he will ever face any legal recourse or ever be tried in any court of law. There are many questions that should be answered in addition to trafficking of VR. The FBI surely must want further details about his alleged frequent visits to Palm Beach. JE's former housekeeper said in a legal deposition that PA was there four times per year and had a massage daily. If this is true PA may be implicated in many other charges.

I hope GM goes to prison for a long time but the cynic in me believes that some kind of deal has already been agreed.

Why would GM remain in the USA knowing full well her days of freedom were numbered? Was she hiding from the FBI or other unknown friends of JE? According to reports the house in New Hampshire was cash purchased in 2019 and she has been resident for months.
If a protracted legal deal was being negotiated then maybe she got to stay there and also got some form of protection.

She must have evidence of some kind against others for leverage. There are repeated claims that JE had extensive CCTV in most of his residences and all over his island - where are the tapes?

I know that my ramblings are all a bit tin hat conspiracy sorry!

There is a difference in the UK. Irrespective of whether there is or isn't a written constitution, the 1994 Criminal Justice and Public Order Act altered the right to silence when being questioned by the police in England and Wales.^ 'It may harm your defence if you do not mention something which you later rely on in court' was added.

Like those who laud the 5th, those opposing the introduction of this legislation in the UK said it interfered with presumption of innocence and the burden of proof. Those supporting the introduction were of a mind that innocent people had nothing to fear and it was mostly criminals who abused the right to silence in order to evade justice.

I don't know what Sacoolas et al think. Have they even bothered to give a reason why she isn't being extradited? In general, I wouldn't be surprised at a situation where someone pretends it is all about the principle when it is really about avoiding extradition and a conviction.

Much as I am not surprised PA et al would avoid any situation where it could get uncomfortable for him with an uncertain outcome. Miranda rights notwithstanding.

Viviennemary Mon 06-Jul-20 23:02:29
I have no time for Prince Andrew. But that woman who killed the teenage boy and is now driving round putting two fingers up at every one puts me in a total rage.
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I don't see what one thing has to do with the other. They are totally different scenarios.

Spokesman for Andrew (not gossip), says he's more than happy to answer any questions the FBI want to pose but they just aren't asking him. I doubt he knows that much about what was going on anyway but if they were that eager, they'd ask him. He doesn't have to go to America to answer - can't anyway right now.

He doesn't have to go to America to answer - can't anyway right now.

The thinking being he can't because of Covid restrictions?

FWIW Brits (in very limited numbers) are still getting in and out of the States if they qualify by being in one of the groups that have been given an exemption to the current US restrictions, e.g. Air Line crew members, Diplomats, certain Government Officials or as an alien "whose entry would be in the national interest".

I'm pretty sure PA could travel to the States today if he wanted to.

In the photo of PA where he has his arm on VGs waist - VG looks older than 17 years.

The other photos of her that evening in a party - she looks really young and out of her depth.

amp.news.com.au/entertainment/celebrity-life/royals/you-saw-me-virginia-giuffre-takes-aim-at-people-in-jeffrey-epsteins-social-circles/news-story/48b60806548048624d8b4f736ef88b83

I believe PA has a lot of questions he needs to answer. What did he think about the young girls hanging around JEs house??? It would raise questions to most people.

Absolutely agree with Prince Andrew stepping up and providing the information he has; prolonging this is doing damage to our Royal family. But I don’t understand why the authorities aren’t also gunning for some of those high profile people who clearly have lied. For example, Bill Clinton. He has denied ever having visited the Island where a lot of these abuses took place, yet photos exist of him clearly there on visits. I reckon there are many many very powerful people who will be implicated eventually, and I also believe those same powerful people played a part in Epstein’s death - it was definitely not suicide.

I'm pretty sure that he and the other men hanging out at Epstein's place knew exactly why those girls were there.

He is vile and guilty, IMHO however the US doesn't extradite - that is their policy. So why do they expect others to extradite to them?!

I am more shocked at QE shielding PA than I am at PA's behaviour - surely she sees the damage this is doing to the RF as a whole?

PA knew what he was doing, knew who those girls were and knew what Epstein was up to. As did many others. I think GM will have sought a deal way before now and knows exactly what she's doing. As revolting a woman as she is, I hope she provides irrefutable evidence of PA's involvement, too, because there is nothing more disgusting than a rich man who believes his position and power can absolve him of all his sins.

Agree with Livelovebehappy. I have zero sympathy for PA but you have to wonder why the FBI are pursuing him so vigorously while remaining silent on the high profile Americans associated with Epstein. Bill Clinton being the obvious one. No extradition required for any of those men. They know exactly who went to the island because they all flew in by private jet & their names are on the flight manifest.

There is a difference in the UK. Irrespective of whether there is or isn't a written constitution, the 1994 Criminal Justice and Public Order Act altered the right to silence when being questioned by the police in England and Wales.^ 'It may harm your defence if you do not mention something which you later rely on in court' was added

That doesn’t affect your right to say nothing at all though.

@TipseyTorvey

I try to avoid populist pile-ons but Andrew went to stay with Epstein after he'd been convicted of sexual crimes. It was public and he still went there. That interview with Maitlis was horrendous, it was totally clear he feels he can do as he pleases with whomever he wants. I have lots of respect for her Maj, but I think it's time this monarchy was slimmed to just the main family. Andrew needs to face the music

Exactly. He KNEW who he was and what he was but he didn't care. I'd go further though -not even a slimmed down version -just get rid.

Although we don’t have a right to silence enshrined in a written constitution here, we do have very similar long-standing legal rights not to have to speak so if they think that’s a significant difference they are wrong.

If you choose to exercise your right to speech in the UK, the judge will tell the jury you have something to hide. You can guess what your chances are after that.

The US 5th amendment is absolute. Once invoked a court cannot use the fact a defendant (or witness) invoked it in making their decision.