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To think it’s dumb that international holidays are being encouraged in the middle of a pandemic

730 replies

Redolent · 27/06/2020 23:09

AIBU to think is probably the part of the coronavirus pandemic that will lead to WTF reactions in future history books? A world clinging desperately to its globalized ways and unwilling to countenance altering them even in the midst of a crisis like this.

European countries have just gone through months of brutal economic and social lockdowns, with the goal of suppressing the virus. They’ve just experienced, at a huge cost, what it’s like to have the virus slowly and imperceptibly land within their borders via air travel.

And yet, just as the virus starts circulating at low levels, they all decide to open up their borders to each other again, in these supposedly safe ‘air corridors’. Enroute to their destinations, their citizens flock to public transport, then to busy airports and planes, where they sit for hours in the midst of other passengers, then on to their destinations, where they mix with other citizens coming in from all over the world too, in social and alcohol-fuelled conditions. In the meantime, governments - like the UK - have vowed that any outbreaks in other countries will mean that returning tourists may have to suddenly quarantine for two weeks upon their return home. It’s a panicked and volatile strategy, subject to a monitoring of the spread of the virus in multiple other countries. Of course it’s bound to go wrong.

TLDR: close the borders. Internationalism can wait.

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annabel85 · 28/06/2020 08:49

The schools are shut but you can go to Benidorm and get hammered

mrpumblechook · 28/06/2020 08:51

In terms of Covid, why would a boat or train be better than a plane?

A boat would be better as there is more space includiing outside space.You can easily sit or stand 2 m away from other families. Not possible on a plane unless very empty.

Longwhiskers14 · 28/06/2020 08:51

@BabyLlamaZen

I agree. I know it's to support economy but it does seem overly ridiculous. I dont get who all these people are who are booking up flights?

My family is full of big travellers and we are yearning to go abroad, but we definitely wont be! Makes me think that those who are, are also the type to not SD properly Confused

I don't believe for a second people are rushing to book up flights – I think the travel companies are hyping it up so people panic into thinking they are missing out. Tui said yesterday that bookings are 50% up on last week – given last week probably no one was booking, it's not that much of a leap! Plus people have been saying on Twitter in the last couple of days that they'd received emails from Tui to say their booked hols to Greece/Spain at the end of July were being cancelled. So something's not adding up!
Sallycinammonbangsthedruminthe · 28/06/2020 08:51

There won;t be many staying behind locked doors and all arguments directed to the frivulous will soon be cut short when the government stops paying for it! Virus or no virus we have to get moving as a society.

Redolent · 28/06/2020 08:53

I understand that some people go to visit family. And that others will structure their plans to avoid mass mixing. But that’s now how the industry as a whole is structured.

It’s a shit show in general, and people will suffer if any sector of society and the economy is affected. An air hostess may be lucky to stay in her job due to increased activity this summer, but if some schools don’t go back due to rising infection rates in the autumn, that could seriously tip someone else over the edge.

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Lemonsole · 28/06/2020 08:53

I think that the long beaches in western France will be quieter and safer than Dorset, Devon or Cornwall. Going by car, overnight ferry in a cabin and then self-catering to mitigate.

Not everyone will be crowding onto planes, and I'm not sure that the UK can support everyone who wants to holiday here this year and retain social distancing. Bournemouth last week put paid to our plans to do day trips from home.

EngTech · 28/06/2020 08:54

As has been mentioned above, it’s the economics.

A very fine balancing act as we will come out the other side of CV19 and there will be no economy, mass unemployment etc.

Then people will moan that they should have lifted the restrictions earlier

No win situation really

user1497207191 · 28/06/2020 08:54

So your saying people who have CV would travel although they wouldn't be covered by insurance?

They went to a pop concert, Anfield and Cheltenham with symptoms back in March. If people are that stupid, then yes, they''d go on holiday and hope for the best.

Redolent · 28/06/2020 08:55

@slothbyday

I'm waiting for all the media stories - might play bingo, only a matter of time

Went on holiday, came down with Covid and travel insurance didn't cover medical expenses - cue sad face on the front cover of the tabloid

Went on holiday, behaved like they did in Bournemouth last week. Locals got annoyed. Brits are banned from Benidorm.

Flight from Tenerife to Uk forced to make emergency landing in Spain as brits refuse to wear masks on board...it stops them drinking their vodka

Brits got drunk in Ibiza and failed to exhibit any social distancing. Now got huge spike and overwhelmed hospitals there

Greece bans the brits after they reinfect every country in Europe due to their idiotic behaviours

On the plus side, if all the idiots go abroad will that make the UK holiday destinations better?

We do want to go on holiday, uk or abroad but can't see anywhere we could go where we won't be near the idiots and still have stuff to do with kids....we are using the money we would spend on a holiday on emigration visas!

The mask one will 100% happen. Brits who refuse to wear them here are in denial and will be shocked when they go abroad.
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mrpumblechook · 28/06/2020 08:55

Honestly some people cannot accept that people will travel after risk assessment! They think anyone that does something other than stays locked indoors is a complete idiot!

Some people can't accept that not everyone who travels will have done a "risk assessment". You only have to look at the scenes in Bournemouth and elsewhere to see that there are plenty of selfish idiots around. Not only do some people not bother social distancing but SAGE have said that many people don't self isolate when asked.

MinnieMousse · 28/06/2020 08:55

I'm going on the ferry to France then staying in a gite. We don't like crowded places and will just go for walks/bike rides and wander round some villages like we usually do. We did have a big campsite booked but cancelled that as didn't want to be sharing facilities with lots of people. I would have preferred the shuttle to the ferry but it was fully booked! Face masks have to be worn on the ferry. Personally, we'll try to stay on deck as much as possible.

I wouldn't be comfortable anywhere with crowds of people. I'm not sure 18-30 type holidays in Ibiza would be a good idea, although I believe social distancing has to be in place. I read that in Spain nightclubs can open but at reduced capacity and with no dancing. There will still need to be personal responsibility though. I wouldn't like to be the staff having to enforce social distancing in some of those places where the tourists' drinking can get out of hand.

MarshaBradyo · 28/06/2020 08:55

I don't believe for a second people are rushing to book up flights – I think the travel companies are hyping it up so people panic into thinking they are missing out.

There probably is some of this.

Livelovebehappy · 28/06/2020 08:56

I’m all for kickstarting the economy, but to encourage international holidays so soon is totally wrong. Driven I know by tourism needs, but surely holiday makers will choose a staycation and holiday within their own countries, if flying abroad is denied? The online sites for holidays abroad collapsed yesterday under the huge demand. To me it would be my idea of hell going abroad this summer. Probably lengthy check ins at airports, and security processes. Extra precautions in place on planes. Social distancing still in existence in some countries meaning limited people in the pools, in the sea, at restaurants. I go away to relax and recharge, but it all sounds stressful.

user1497207191 · 28/06/2020 08:57

No win situation really

Yes we need to reopen, but unfortunately I don't trust the general public to take the necessary precautions such as regular hand washing, wearing masks, respecting personal space, etc. A significant minority just dont seem to give a shit about other people.

mrpumblechook · 28/06/2020 08:58

A very fine balancing act as we will come out the other side of CV19 and there will be no economy, mass unemployment etc.

Perhaps spend your money here then. Spending all your money in another country is not actually doing much to help the UK economy you know.

Bedroomdilemma · 28/06/2020 08:58

@heyheyho so where in Europe do you think currently has the highest rates of covid if not the UK?

stellakent · 28/06/2020 08:58

It's pretty offensive to suggest that anyone considering going abroad is a drunken Brit who doesn't know how to behave. It's equally offensive to imply that other countries don't have social distancing measures in place.

Bedroomdilemma · 28/06/2020 08:59

Or should I say England as Scotland and NI are pretty under control (not so sure about Wales)

Parker231 · 28/06/2020 09:00

Where will I be safer on holiday this year - the beach at Bournemouth or a gite in Dordogne ?

Coronabegone · 28/06/2020 09:01

They went to a pop concert, Anfield and Cheltenham with symptoms back in March. If people are that stupid, then yes, they''d go on holiday and hope for the best.

Fucking stupid comparison, 40000 people have died since then, we're a bit more knowledgeable now?

Peaseblossom22 · 28/06/2020 09:02

@mrpumblechook people won’t be covered because most insurance companies have amended their policies to exclude anything to do with Covid . So for example if there was an outbreak and you had to stay in the hotel /accommodation for extra days you would not be covered for the cost of the extra days or rebooking your flight or any medical costs should you get it etc etc. Personally I think this would be one of the reasons I would be very wary ,

Doyoumind · 28/06/2020 09:02

I want my DC back at school in September. If cases are rising generally that won't happen.

It has nothing to do with xenophobia. I don't think people are going to catch covid from the locals in other countries. I think it will spread amongst the tourists in airports, planes, hotels, restaurants, in the pools. Going to visit family, I understand. Going on a package holiday is bound to lead to some cases and we are likely going to export cases to countries who could do without a surge.

NailsNeedDoing · 28/06/2020 09:02

As many of us are still waiting for the second spike that so many MNers were convinced would happen after VE Day, or the one that was meant to have happened after we first had pictures of crowded beaches, or the one that was going to happen right after schools reopened to three or four year groups, maybe not everyone is terrified that they will automatically catch Covid as soon as they venture out. Maybe not everyone wants to put life on hold indefinitely and would rather live for today.

If they are following government advice, then going on holiday seems a perfectly reasonable thing to do.

Longwhiskers14 · 28/06/2020 09:02

It's pretty offensive to suggest that anyone considering going abroad is a drunken Brit who doesn't know how to behave. It's equally offensive to imply that other countries don't have social distancing measures in place.

This. ^

okiedokieme · 28/06/2020 09:05

Don't go then. All that's happened is no longer effectively banned