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To think it’s dumb that international holidays are being encouraged in the middle of a pandemic

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Redolent · 27/06/2020 23:09

AIBU to think is probably the part of the coronavirus pandemic that will lead to WTF reactions in future history books? A world clinging desperately to its globalized ways and unwilling to countenance altering them even in the midst of a crisis like this.

European countries have just gone through months of brutal economic and social lockdowns, with the goal of suppressing the virus. They’ve just experienced, at a huge cost, what it’s like to have the virus slowly and imperceptibly land within their borders via air travel.

And yet, just as the virus starts circulating at low levels, they all decide to open up their borders to each other again, in these supposedly safe ‘air corridors’. Enroute to their destinations, their citizens flock to public transport, then to busy airports and planes, where they sit for hours in the midst of other passengers, then on to their destinations, where they mix with other citizens coming in from all over the world too, in social and alcohol-fuelled conditions. In the meantime, governments - like the UK - have vowed that any outbreaks in other countries will mean that returning tourists may have to suddenly quarantine for two weeks upon their return home. It’s a panicked and volatile strategy, subject to a monitoring of the spread of the virus in multiple other countries. Of course it’s bound to go wrong.

TLDR: close the borders. Internationalism can wait.

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rayn · 28/06/2020 09:21

How can anyone enjoy a holiday when you have to wear a mask in a public place?
My friend has been told by the hotel that they have to wear a mask at all times when moving around the hotel complex!!

mrpumblechook · 28/06/2020 09:23

most of the money for holidays abroad was spent last year as most book and pay for it in advance.So it wouldnt be available to spend here.Even if you could get refunds from travel operators it could be months til the money gets back in accounts and our season at home would be long done.In all fairness too would you go sit and holiday in say Bournmouth after the scenes we all witnessed last week?

I don't think that "most" holidays were booked and fully paid for last year. I don't know anyone who does that. It's not compulsory or necessary.

Bournemouth isn't the only place you can holiday in the UK.

Ori37 · 28/06/2020 09:25

@Coronabegone
Yes I love it too. I just haven’t made up my mind where to stay yet that would be best for the kids. I was looking at booking somewhere through Parkdean Resorts, they look like they’ve got some nice locations. I think the only thing that’s holding me back slightly is I’m not sure how many of the attractions will actually be open. I’d like to take my two boys on the steam train, to the zoo.

istheresomethingishouldknow · 28/06/2020 09:27

Large percentages of a lot of countries' economies rely on tourism: no tourists, no jobs.

Bourbonbiccy · 28/06/2020 09:28

How can anyone enjoy a holiday when you have to wear a mask in a public place?
My friend has been told by the hotel that they have to wear a mask at all times when moving around the hotel complex!!

This is my thinking, the masks are so uncomfortable (total respect for NHS staff) I wouldn't enjoy my holiday.
Also are the pools going to open?? We have a private beach but it's still going to busy with some of the other guest, I don't want to be telling our son who will be just turned 3, that he still can't mix with other kids, on holiday in the beach,

Parker231 · 28/06/2020 09:28

@rayn - many of us don’t choose hotels for our holidays. We’re going to a gite in France in the same village as our friends live. No wearing masks for us. Safer and cleaner than holidays in the UK.

eaglejulesk · 28/06/2020 09:31

But poorly executed (my best friend lives there - Covid cases in quarantine on the rise again

All the new cases are people returning who are, as you said, in quarantine so there is no threat to the public, and no community transmission - how is that poorly executed? Anyone with half a brain expected that to happen. As to the economy NZ was in a better shape than the UK at the start of the pandemic, so I don't see how things are going to be so much worse. NZers at present are busy enjoying their own tourist spots instead of going overseas, and we have been out of lockdown for a few weeks so it's business as usual everywhere else. I don't think anyone in the UK should be pointing fingers at NZ.

stellakent · 28/06/2020 09:32

People who say that less international travel and fewer flights would be a good thing forget that thousands and thousands of people are employed in these industries. No longer are we a nation with a large manufacturing base - what would we replace these jobs with?

Inbound tourism is huge, particularly for cities such as Edinburgh and London. Many London hotels are not opening yet because there are no tourists and they cannot afford to operate at reduced capacity. This affects other businesses such as restaurants, theatres, museums etc.
Huge numbers of jobs are at risk.

We can't simply turn back the clock. Life isn't like that. We need to assess risk and learn to live with the virus.

mrpumblechook · 28/06/2020 09:40

People who say that less international travel and fewer flights would be a good thing forget that thousands and thousands of people are employed in these industries.

What makes you think that people are forgetting that?

worzelsnurzel123 · 28/06/2020 09:42

I think people are just assuming all holidays are package deals with crammed bars, pools fit to bursting, buffet style breakfasts and crowds. On the contrary my family and those I know will be travelling to owned properties ( not sitting “in someone else’s house “ as pp mentioned) playing socially distanced golf, tennis, sitting in an outdoor restaurant on a big terrace so tables separated, bbqs with own family around private pools. It’s really not quite the “ deadly “ picture so many wish to portray. Sorry 😐

Livelovebehappy · 28/06/2020 09:46

part of me will be glad if 1000s of them do go abroad rather than swarming over Cornwall and the Lake District well, I’m afraid I will be ‘swarming’ over the Lake District. Your wants or preferences really are irrelevant; you may live there (which I suspect is the case), but owning or renting a few feet of property in the area does not give you the right to say who you want there. Disappointing for you I know, but hey ho, batten down the hatches for the ‘swarmers’ Smile.

mrpumblechook · 28/06/2020 09:47

We can't simply turn back the clock. Life isn't like that. We need to assess risk and learn to live with the virus.

What do you define as "learning to live with the virus" though? To me it is doing as much as possible to prevent the spread while keeping the UK economy going as much as possible. I don't think going on holiday to Spain does much towards that. I can understand why people are still going if they can't get their money back but actually booking a holiday abroad at the moment is the opposite of "learning to live with the virus".

Coronabegone · 28/06/2020 09:49

And the sands at black gang chive @Ori37 , yes difficult with the attractions.

The island is so small it's not massively important which place you stay.

Coronabegone · 28/06/2020 09:50

Chine not chive Grin

Aragog · 28/06/2020 09:51

We rarely stay in hotel Complexes with lots of pools etc. so that part doesn't worry me at all.
We'd be looking at apartments or villas mainly.

Elsewyre · 28/06/2020 09:53

We're not in the middle of a pandemic any more though.

We're at the tail end. It's only really going to be a rough time for those who isolated really really well but dont have any heakthconditions/are young

They're still vulnerable and will be last in line for a vaccine but will be expected to rejoin active society soon so are going to have to catch it just as no one really gives a fuck anymore

Redolent · 28/06/2020 09:53

@mrpumblechook

We can't simply turn back the clock. Life isn't like that. We need to assess risk and learn to live with the virus.

What do you define as "learning to live with the virus" though? To me it is doing as much as possible to prevent the spread while keeping the UK economy going as much as possible. I don't think going on holiday to Spain does much towards that. I can understand why people are still going if they can't get their money back but actually booking a holiday abroad at the moment is the opposite of "learning to live with the virus".

For some people ‘learn to live with the virus’ is another way of saying ‘pretend it doesn’t exist’. I’m with you - suppress suppress as much as possible, while trying to keep the economy afloat. And most importantly, get schools going so that children aren’t thrown under the bus yet again.

You cannot save every job though. I fail to see how things like nightclubs can continue to operate with the virus in general circulation.

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stellakent · 28/06/2020 09:56

I don't agree that booking a holiday abroad isn't 'learning to live with the virus'. We need both outbound and inbound tourism, not just domestic tourism. Visit Britain is already working on campaigns such as 'Good to Go' accreditation to show visitors which places are safe to visit. It's hugely important to the economy.

Elsewyre · 28/06/2020 09:56

@mrpumblechook

We can't simply turn back the clock. Life isn't like that. We need to assess risk and learn to live with the virus.

What do you define as "learning to live with the virus" though? To me it is doing as much as possible to prevent the spread while keeping the UK economy going as much as possible. I don't think going on holiday to Spain does much towards that. I can understand why people are still going if they can't get their money back but actually booking a holiday abroad at the moment is the opposite of "learning to live with the virus".

Forever???

It's already spread it's in every country.

Anyone who's avoided it now will get it in time. Unless you get lucky in some rural area and herd immunity keeps it away but unlikely.

The lockdown was never about trying to contain it or stop it and was never advertised as such.

It was purely to slow it down so we didnt overwhelm ewuipment and medical staff

But we've been building a new ventilator every 20 mins for the past few months 24/7 in this couentry

Capacity is way up as its summer so no seasonal things going on.

Yes this is the time to encourage healthy people out and get them infected and through this.

As we really dont want a surge in winter

Bollss · 28/06/2020 09:56

To me it is doing as much as possible to prevent the spread while keeping the UK economy going as much as possible. I don't think going on holiday to Spain does much towards that

Keeps airlines and airports running, travel agents etc. I don't want them to be a thing of the past. I want to be able to have an affordable holiday In the future.

As I've said the behaviour of some people in UK holiday destinations has put me right off going there.

Redolent · 28/06/2020 09:57

@Elsewyre

We're not in the middle of a pandemic any more though.

We're at the tail end. It's only really going to be a rough time for those who isolated really really well but dont have any heakthconditions/are young

They're still vulnerable and will be last in line for a vaccine but will be expected to rejoin active society soon so are going to have to catch it just as no one really gives a fuck anymore

What do you mean we’re at the tail end - the UK, or globally?

Globally, the pandemic is just getting started. Not sure you can see the graph of somewhere like India (attached) and be convinced it’s over.

Things are also very worrying indeed in many places in the United States right now.

To think it’s dumb that international holidays are being encouraged in the middle of a pandemic
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Elsewyre · 28/06/2020 09:58

"You cannot save every job though. I fail to see how things like nightclubs can continue to operate with the virus in general circulation."

Temperature check on the door, no over 45s, no one with a health condition?
(that one is going to have to be honour based so yeah a few idiots may cop it)

Reduces the risk of any harm to a fraction of a %

Probably still more likely to end up in hospital because of the alcohol than corona

Elsewyre · 28/06/2020 09:59

Uk/Europe as you were talking about travel to Spain. Not India....

Elsewyre · 28/06/2020 10:02

Remember before you get too excited by these graphs for these countries they have had huge infections that just haven't been identified their graphs go up almost inline with their increased testing.

But again the equipment has been being pumped out 24/7 we have much much more capacity than we did at the start.

Big question is what are we going to do with 20,000 surplus ventilators at the end of all this?

They're not really any use to the NHS and no use to anyone if they're stored for ages.

Scrap? Aid donations?

MarshaBradyo · 28/06/2020 10:03

We're not in the middle of a pandemic any more though.
We're at the tail end.

Do you mean the percentage of people who have had it is high? Around what % do you think

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