Corona crap?!

[Anditsgin111]

Just wondering how many people believe in the government after failure after failure? What an absolute shambles!! I genuinely had my heart set on doing the right thing!! I feel so let down by people and politics 😔

It's very easy to take simpleton pot-shots at the government that has had to handle the corona situation because there can be no comparison to how other governments have the same situation.

@UntamedWisteria
What exactly do you think has "gone well"?
My family and I are all key workers and have remained in work. We still have jobs. We’re still getting paid. We don’t personally know anyone that’s had Covid or died of it. We don’t have school age kids and quite frankly don’t care about the education of yours. We’ve loved spending time together as a family. We’re the kind of family that pull together when life gets tricky. We personally have nothing to complain about. We’re positive people. We’re not in denial. We know some people have struggled. I couldn’t give a monkeys what anyone else thinks. All this hand wringing and “oh life is terrible “ is doing yourselves no favours.

keeprocking Rory Stewart did an interview in early March with what he thought should be done. It would have saved lots of lives.

I don't think criticising and wanting Mr Johnson's government to be held to account for their failings is simple pot shots.

I despise tories, always have, but if you think for one minute any other government wouldn't have been so self serving, think again.
They look after their own, always have and always will, you are naive to think they give a shit about the likes of you.
People obviously thought he was the right man for the job, they voted for him.

@NotEverythingIsBlackandWhite

I don't believe his Govt has had failure after failure.

"I genuinely had my heart set on doing the right thing!!"
Not sure what you are saying here. Are you saying you haven't done the right thing about something?

"I feel so let down by people and politics."
????? Do you want to say more?

You believe the government hasn't had failure after failure. It's right up there with believing in Father Christmas and The Tooth Fairy.

Yeah, right. Whatever makes you feel better.

@Icansmellburningleaves

I actually agree with all of those things, and that's been largely my experience too, although I do know several people who've had Covid, and of 2 people in my network who have died.

But that is true because I am largely protected by my affluent middle class bubble, and I know that for many people it hasn't been like that.

I also have family in Germany, who have had a much better experience than we have here.

And while I think it was very smart of Rishi Sunak to introduce the furlough scheme, I am an economist and worry immensely about the long term damage this will have - which will also cost many people their lives.

You get what you vote for. Although, you’ll get die hard Tory supporters that will defend to the death, like they have some life-long loyalty to a football club.
At the end of the day, UK has been a joke through Covid. You get what you vote for...and I’m not surprised one bit.

What’s with the whataboutery about what labour would have done?

People voted for the Tories in their millions based solely on a soundbite of “get Brexit done”. If that’s the basis on which they vote, they kept telling us they knew what they voted for, and this was it. A government that couldn’t run a piss up in a brewery let alone forge a half decent and timely response to a pandemic. You voted Tory because of Brexit, you voted for this. You don’t get to stick an x in a box on a single issue and pretend it has no other consequences.

Exactly @CuppaZa

At the end of the day, it doesn’t matter one jot how labour would have dealt with it.

Look at the countries with idiotic leaders that appeal to the lowest common denominator in society - the U.K., the USA, Brazil - amongst the worst outcomes to the pandemic.

@rwalker

We would have saved around 30k lives if the govt had locked down just ONE week earlier (as some SAGE scientists wanted in March)
That's on Johnson and his herd immunity idea.

The govt did not tell us ALL to stay in, they allowed many industries and sectors to stay open, keep working, that led to more spread.

Protests, VE celebrations, beach parties (all outdoor) none have (so far) contributed to a significant increase in infections.

I think the Govt has gone back to herd immunity, allow the virus to spread in a more controlled manner and if it does get out of control, blame the UK population.

How is it Tory bashing to point out that many, many thousands more people have died then needed to??
Have you seen how New Zealand handles this?

I'm someone not particularly invested in politics, with no strong feelings to any one party in particular. I'm apathetic because it's always felt like whoever is in charge does pretty much the same thing, makes mistakes, gets picked apart by the opposition, etc.

Having said all that, this current government certainly seems like one of the most inept in my memory. Just a shambles in pretty much every respect.

@LilBlackLab

And how do you think the Labour Party,had they been voted in, would have handled the coronavirus then??

I'm so sick of responses like this - it's irrelevant - Labour didn't win

this is OUR Government - we are allowed to hold them to account for their actions - that IS democracy

They where elected - we expect them to act in our best interests

LilBlackLab I just compare the choice the Tory party made, and believe Jeremy Hunt would have made decisions earlier, and fewer lives would have been lost.

There was never going to be a right answer to this situation. Yes they could have handled some things better but I'm sure it could also have been way worse. Damned if they do and damned if they don't

[quote icansmellburningleaves]@UntamedWisteria
What exactly do you think has "gone well"?
My family and I are all key workers and have remained in work. We still have jobs. We’re still getting paid. We don’t personally know anyone that’s had Covid or died of it. We don’t have school age kids and quite frankly don’t care about the education of yours. We’ve loved spending time together as a family. We’re the kind of family that pull together when life gets tricky. We personally have nothing to complain about. We’re positive people. We’re not in denial. We know some people have struggled. I couldn’t give a monkeys what anyone else thinks. All this hand wringing and “oh life is terrible “ is doing yourselves no favours.[/quote]
We’re not in denial. We know some people have struggled. I couldn’t give a monkeys what anyone else thinks.

Our death rate (over what could be reasonably expected) is excessive - do you "give a monkeys" about that or don't you car because you don't know anyone who has died?

The argument that it's a pandemic and no one could have predicted what would happen is an absolute nonsense when we could see Italy unfolding before our eyes. That our figures are worse that Italy's is a testament to our abject failure to act. Not to mention the numerous cobra meetings where Warnings were ignored. For me Boris Johnson boasting about shaking hands with coronavirus victims should have been a glaring warning to anyone who didn’t already know, that he was completely out of his depth in this job. Someone summed it up really well when they said that he wanted to be PM and to have been PM but he doesn’t want the part in the middle. The lies, the incompetence and the deliberate failure to act to protect the vulnerable is completely unforgivable. It has been the economy over lives at every stage - despite the fact that acting sooner would have protected the damage to the economy as well as lives. Yes they put measures in place via furlough schemes etc and I give credit for that- but don’t pretend that was for any reason other than to protect the economy- rightly so-but it was not some altruistic move.
As for the Labour would have done worse argument- it is completely irrelevant but given that Labour actually give a shit about ordinary people, not just the pockets of their billionaire mates, yes I think they would have done better. We had seen first hand the damage done by the Conservatives over the years yet people still voted for them. When the see first hand how austerity destroys people’s lives it’s very difficult to understand why anyone would support it.

@FizzFan

yep you're right - vote tory get tory no surprises and no blaming opposition or anyone else

yep boris couldn't organised a piss up in a brewery - use soundbites back at tory supporters because they vote based on soundbites and still use to defend the 10 year plus shite show the tories have given us

yep I get fed up of shit responses like this too

"LilBlackLab

And how do you think the Labour Party,had they been voted in, would have handled the coronavirus then??"

This response shows that the poster has nothing to say/no bloody idea and no thinking skills at all but drones out the same old rubbish response - people like this are the reason we are in this mess - vote for the same old shit and get the same old shit

Facts At the end of the day, it doesn’t matter one jot how labour would have dealt with it.
Look at the countries with idiotic leaders that appeal to the lowest common denominator in society - the U.K., the USA, Brazil - amongst the worst outcomes to the pandemic."

Instead of imaging what a party that didn't get elected would have done try focuses on what the party that DID GET ELECTED ACTUALLY DID.... otherwise we will never move forward and learn from mistakes

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There was never going to be a right answer to this situation. Yes they could have handled some things better but I'm sure it could also have been way worse. Damned if they do and damned if they don't

This seems like a kind of get-out-of-jail-free argument. There are a number of countries that have objectively handled the pandemic worse than others. Citizens of Brazil, the US, the UK, Sweden, etc. should obviously be asking why their leaders are failing so spectacularly compared to others.

• @InFiveMins

ChangeThePassword

Did you vote Tory, op?

Because of course, any other political party would have dealt with this so much better...?*

If you took the time to read the post that IMMEDIATELY followed my post, you would see exactly what I meant by asking the question.

@inoutofmymind
We would have saved around 30k lives if the govt had locked down just ONE week earlier (as some SAGE scientists wanted in March)

People wouldn't stay in when 1000's died no chance of getting them to adhere to lockdown earlier when deaths in hundreds .

[quote rwalker]@inoutofmymind
We would have saved around 30k lives if the govt had locked down just ONE week earlier (as some SAGE scientists wanted in March)

People wouldn't stay in when 1000's died no chance of getting them to adhere to lockdown earlier when deaths in hundreds .[/quote]
that's simply not true.

As soon as lockdown was announced the vast majority of people stuck to it for the first several weeks, surprising even the government, who did not expect such strong adherence to the rules.

It was only after the sCummings fiasco that people felt it didnt really matter.