Corona crap?!

[Anditsgin111]

Just wondering how many people believe in the government after failure after failure? What an absolute shambles!! I genuinely had my heart set on doing the right thing!! I feel so let down by people and politics 😔

I rarely comment and will probably regret this.

Alongside the government, questions should also be asked about NHS management, procurement procedures, PHE.
And what about individual responsibility - the government did not tell thousands of people to go the beaches, and stay there even when they saw how crowded it was. The governemnt do not tell people to defecate on beaches and leave tons of litter.

Alongside the government, questions should also be asked about NHS management, procurement procedures, PHE.

Exactly, it was NHS managers who didn't rotate the PPE stocks in the warehouses. It was NHS staff who didn't check use by dates when they took things out of storerooms.

Our neighbour is a GP surgery branch manager - she was blaming her staff for taking PPE out of stores for years without checking dates which has caused box after box of gloves, masks etc to be thrown away, year after year. She didn't twig that as the branch manager, perhaps she should have been checking the stores were properly organised all along. Even supermarket workers manage to move older stock to the front, but neither her nor her staff had thought to do it!

never happened before in even our grandparents lifetimes.
"Spanish flu" of 1918 - well within the lifetimes of the grandparents of people over fifty.

@Anditsgin111

In the politest way possible get lost with your anti Tory, anti government bashing

As I have said before, and keep saying to others on MN who post the same crap all the time if you don’t like it, become an MP yourself, and get the MN party into power and you all lead the country through an unknown pandemic like this

Yes there are lessons to learn, but they did the best they could at the time with the knowledge they had at the time, and no I don’t believe in everything they do, but I do believe they are just as good as any of the other parties on this.

Knowledge is being gained everyday on how the virus works, the government are pleading with the public to follow the rules, those going to the beaches , holding matched, rooting, holding raves etc are not. So go shout at them, the other option is full on lockdown again, so do you want that? With the resultant economic crisis which would we worse than now

The government have a balancing act, can I suggest that instead of bashing them everyone follows the rules, and don’t do the MN favourite of I know it’s not in the rules, but can I ....... and everybody pile on and say yes use your common sense etc etc

I didn't vote for this government.

They got in based on the Brexit vote. I wasn't pro Brexit either.

Oh well Brexit is going ahead. We have a crap government that have made lots of mistakes recently and no doubt will continue to do so.

But you will always have the people who won't blame the government but deflect and suggest we blame someone/anyone else. They will never blame th government for anything - whilst clearly forgetting who is in power and makes decision.

I have to agree with kazzy there. I once worked for one branch of an organisation where the manager was an absolute martinet about stock control. She wasn't popular! I moved to another branch where stock control didn't exist. Guess which one never ran out of stock, guess which one where you knew exactly where the stock was and didn't need to waste time hunting around for items. We began to appreciate the first manager.

@ChangeThePassword

Did you vote Tory, op?

Because of course, any other political party would have dealt with this so much better...?

You feel let down by the government? sorry thats rather hilarious, what else did you expect? After the MP expenses scandal you didn't truly believe they care about us did you, if so thats worrying naive.....

@TooGood2BeTrue

I agree it's laughable.... the C/Tory supporters blaming the opposition rather than blame the Tory government who have lets face it been in power for over years.... surely it's about time they accept SOME responsibility since they are 'running the show'.... easier to blame thew opposition though since stupid people lap it up and agree with them...yep not the governments fault for anything at all - it's all the fault of the opposition - can they not actually think of how stupid this sounds!

@InFiveMins

Same old argument.... the thing is we don't know how any other government MIGHT have dealt with this because we have had the tories for over years!

Same old same old escuses though - wears a bit thin though

Of course the government has failed us.

Other country's governments (with similar demographics) have managed the issue so much better than ours. e.g. Germany.

It's not about politics, or Tory bashing. It's a verifiable fact.

[quote Chloemol]@Anditsgin111

In the politest way possible get lost with your anti Tory, anti government bashing

As I have said before, and keep saying to others on MN who post the same crap all the time if you don’t like it, become an MP yourself, and get the MN party into power and you all lead the country through an unknown pandemic like this

Yes there are lessons to learn, but they did the best they could at the time with the knowledge they had at the time, and no I don’t believe in everything they do, but I do believe they are just as good as any of the other parties on this.

Knowledge is being gained everyday on how the virus works, the government are pleading with the public to follow the rules, those going to the beaches , holding matched, rooting, holding raves etc are not. So go shout at them, the other option is full on lockdown again, so do you want that? With the resultant economic crisis which would we worse than now

The government have a balancing act, can I suggest that instead of bashing them everyone follows the rules, and don’t do the MN favourite of I know it’s not in the rules, but can I ....... and everybody pile on and say yes use your common sense etc etc[/quote]
" They did the best they could at the time with the knowledge they had at the time"

They palpably didn't. The government overruled their scientific advisers many times to make 'popular' decisions.

Dominic Cummings.

Other governments had access to the same info as ours and have managed the situation far better.

The government led by Mr Johnson and Mr Cummings has been far worse than I expected. Rishi Sunak and perhaps Grant Shapps are the only ones who would have been good enough to be in any of Mr Cameron's cabinets.

This is a Tory government in name only. No other Tory government would have failed to understand business so badly, none would have been so slow to act.

If Jeremy Hunt had been Tory leader and PM I believe many thousands fewer would have died.

@ChangeThePassword

I don't believe his Govt has had failure after failure

Off the top of my head in the last few months

The herd immunity idea that he has to back down on
The disastrous track and trace app that cost millions
The PPE issues (lying about the order from Turkey, then when it arrived it didn't meet the standards required)
The antibody test issues (ordered from China but they didn't work)
The failure to deal appropriately with Dominic Cummings
And today I heard about an investment in satellites which are not the right kind

I'm sure there are more I've forgotten.

Laptops for school pupils

Backtracking from original advice for 2m distancing for primary schools

Refusing to accept advice from head teachers/local authorities re primary school returns

Inability to stick to own guidelines on distancing

Allowing football matches/sports events to continue despite advice to the contrary

Not putting measures in place to protect vunerable care home residents

We need to keep remembering these failures, we are unfortunately unlikely to have a general election for a few years, by which time Cummings and his cronies will have airbrushed government incompetence as smoothly as the Kardashians apply their contouring. [ie We will know their version of Covid 19 is not real but won't remember where the bumpy spotty bits are]

One example of a failure of government policy is not to set a limit on how far people could drive during lockdown. That would have prevented the situation we saw this week in Bournemouth.

Another failure is abandoning testing so early in the pandemic.

Countries like Germany which have consistently tested their people have had far lower death rates.

They were also a week too late imposing lockdown ... the list goes on and on.

These are all political decisions which our citizens have paid for with their lives.

I think most reasonable people would be equally scarthing of a Labour administration that left us with 66k dead and after 12 weeks of lock down, we still have very high levels of infection.

Its not about another Tory bashing thread but they are in Government, even now, 2 months after a recommendation to access all BAME staff for their CV risk, only 23% of trusts have actually completed this.

@icansmellburningleaves

Just think how chaotic it would have been if Jezza and his cronies had been in charge. It’s been a completely unprecedented time, never happened before in even our grandparents lifetimes. I think under the weird circumstances it’s gone well. There will always be people who have struggled or think it was handled wrong. It’s so easy to complain.

What a false and pointless argument. We can never know.

The fact is Boris and Cummings have made some very bad decisions.

Perhaps a different Prime Minister would have made better decisions, regardless of party. It would be hard to make worse ones (unless your acmes are Trump or Bolsonaro).

What exactly do you think has "gone well"?

I voted YANBU, but actually it is U to expect anything different from our Lords and Masters.

For those saying “Tory bashing”...

You are aware aren’t you that we live in a democracy and democracies function best when governments are held to account? As opposed to people blindly accepting that everything they do is always in our best interests.,,,

I don’t think the government has done a great job with coronavirus although they seem to have upped their game a bit recently.

Regardless of what I or you think: it’s possible for people to challenge their record on managing this pandemic without their motives having to come down to “Tory bashing”.

Countries like Germany which have consistently tested their people have had far lower death rates

When Germany didn't have enough testing kits and also had to put their elderly from Hospital into care homes, they made sure they were isolated at the home or they weren't released, the Govt didn't do this, despite seeing what Germany did and what had happened in Italy and Spain where they did not.

You are aware aren’t you that we live in a democracy and democracies function best when governments are held to account?

Indeed. But it's difficult to hold a government to account when they are newly elected and they refuse to do the right thing despite overwhelming public disquiet. See Dominic Cummings as a prime example

ChangeThePassword quite...

All the more reason why people should be able to question the government’s record without the dog whistle “Tory bashing” thing being wheeled out at the first sign of dissent.

The biggest failing is by the general population just pleasing themselves .Expecting there arse wiped by the government
Many countries have had many failings and because as a nation we love nothing more than picking fault we jump on and half truths and unproven information the media throw at us.

Think of the amount of live saved if everyone would of stayed in like they were told that's not a government failing .Thats us as a notion full of entitled militant wankers

@Kazzyhoward

To the OP, please provide a list of all the other countries whose governments have dealt with Covid perfectly?

Vietnam . FInland, Denmark, New Zealand, Germany, Taiwan.Iceland.

Nearer home the Isle of Man and the Channel Islands have dealt with it well.

If you want a stark reminder of how bad Mr Johnson's government has been, more have died in the UK than were killed by Hitler's bombs.