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The Great American Comeback Festival - Not (Trump Thread #102)

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TheNorthWestPawsage · 24/06/2020 17:25

President Trump: "Two things have never changed: a wall and a wheel" Yuma, AZ. 23/06/20

Neither have ramps...

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lionheart · 26/06/2020 15:37

I wonder how much it is costing per mile? $$$$$

AskingQuestionsAllTheTime · 26/06/2020 16:45

As of January this year, the allocation of funds for Trump's wall-building has been eleven billion dollars, so that works out at about $20 million a mile for the 550 miles he has claimed he was going to build. If only three miles of new wall has gone up, that would be rather more per mile....

(I assume it is being built by people who are good friends of his.)

He says it is "going up at record speed" -- which may well be true, if only three miles has actually been built so far. It's just not the sort of record he hopes people will assume.

TheNorthWestPawsage · 26/06/2020 16:50

www.vox.com/2020/6/26/21303547/donald-trump-2020-polls-coronavirus-biden-reelection-losing

...“Ignore the polls,” Biden tweeted on Wednesday. “Register to vote.”

There’s something to that attitude. Polling, at this point, should be taken as information, not as prediction. But the information it offers is real: Trump’s political position is collapsing. Biden has doubled his lead since the beginning of February, and it’s not because he’s been dominating the airwaves. It’s because Trump has betrayed the first commandment of running for reelection: First, govern well.
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In 2016, Trump ran as an outsider because he was an outsider. He had never been a mayor, a member of Congress, or a governor; there was no record of governance for him to defend. He experienced politics as many Americans do — as televised entertainment — and brought the skills of a television reality star to the campaign. It was enough.
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Trump has spent the past three years and 158 days playing president on TV and social media. But he has not spent that time doing the job of the president. A strong economy that carried over from Barack Obama’s presidency hid Trump’s dereliction of duties. But then a crisis came, and presidential leadership was needed, and the American people saw there was no plan, and functionally no president.

Every insider account of Trump’s presidency — from Michael Wolff’s Fire and Fury to Bob Woodward’s Fear to Carol Leonnig and Philip Rucker’s A Very Stable Genius to Anonymous’s A Warning to Omarosa Manigault Newman’s Unhinged to John Bolton’s The Room Where It Happened — has painted fundamentally the same picture: a chaotic, lawless administration orbiting around a reckless, distractible, corrupt, overmatched, and disinterested chief executive.

There is no secret being revealed here. These insider accounts match what is on display, daily, for the public.
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...Trump is holding rallies maskless and settling old scores on social media. It is, to put it generously, a strategy against self-interest. And it suggests that what Trump did in 2016 was not a strategy at all: It was his sole way of being in the world, a mode that happened to match that moment, even as it’s failing him in this one.

“What does the dog do when it catches the car?” asks Levin. “Turns out the dog just keeps running and barking. I had this thought in the Lafayette Square madness. Trump puts on this show. And then he gets there and has nothing to do. He’s just standing there. His whole presidency is like that.”

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HoldMyLobster · 26/06/2020 16:55

$20 million per mile...

In my densely forested state we really need to put our electricity wires underground, but because we're on granite it's been estimated that it'll cost $1 million per mile, so instead we continue to lose power every time there's a storm, and the electricity company spends a fortune on fixing overhead wires.

Yet we can find $20 million per mile for a wall we don't need that people just lean a ladder against and climb over.

Lweji · 26/06/2020 17:47

Bolton already said he's not voting Trump or Biden.
I wonder if other conservatives will stay home as well.
Biden seems a safe hand at least, even if conservatives don't agree with him.

OTOH, I wonder if an alternative conservative candidate will emerge. Bolton has hinted that he (of course) would probably get his vote, and many disenchanted GOP voters might too. But it would have to be a GOP outsider.

lionheart · 26/06/2020 17:51

Yes to ignoring the polls. Register and vote.

lionheart · 26/06/2020 17:59

foreignpolicy.com/2020/06/24/kosovo-serbia-summit-white-house-catastrophe-balkans-peace-process/

'In March of this year, the Trump administration successfully engineered the collapse of a friendly government in Pristina, the capital of Kosovo. Rather than a covert CIA operation, the administration and the U.S. Embassy mounted overt pressure. Within weeks of suspending development assistance and threatening to withdraw U.S. troops from the NATO peacekeeping force, the government of reformist Prime Minister Albin Kurti was gone.'

lionheart · 26/06/2020 18:20

Trump and Barr ...

The Great American Comeback Festival - Not (Trump Thread #102)
BruceAndNosh · 26/06/2020 22:23

@Lweji

Bolton already said he's not voting Trump or Biden. I wonder if other conservatives will stay home as well. Biden seems a safe hand at least, even if conservatives don't agree with him.

OTOH, I wonder if an alternative conservative candidate will emerge. Bolton has hinted that he (of course) would probably get his vote, and many disenchanted GOP voters might too. But it would have to be a GOP outsider.

Has any Party in power ever chosen a new candidate over the incumbent? Would there come a point where the GOP decide that An Other is more likely to be electable tham Trump?
AcrossthePond55 · 27/06/2020 01:14

Bruce It's happened only once to an elected POTUS, Franklin Pierce (elected 1852). His sentiments were so pro-South (this was before the Civil War) that the Convention (1856) nominated James Buchanan who became the 15th POTUS.

Four other POTUSes (POTII?) have been denied the nom, but they were VPs who assumed the office upon the death of the elected POTUS. The were: John Tyler, Millard Fillmore, Andrew Johnson, & Chester Arthur.

IMHO, the GOP knows of any number of candidates who are 'electable' based on their merits and experience. Why they stick with Scrotus is totally beyond me. I guess it's because he's nominating their judicial picks, doesn't interfere with them, and his 'antics' are a great smokescreen for their legislative misdeeds and 'pork'.

TheClaws · 27/06/2020 01:57

I don’t think Ivanka knows the meaning of ‘irony’, going by this video.

The White House @WhiteHouse 1hr

Today, President @realDonaldTrump will sign an executive order to transform the federal hiring process—and replace one-size-fits-all, degree-based hiring with skills-based hiring.

More from @IvankaTrump:

TheClaws · 27/06/2020 01:58

Apologies: link to tweet above - twitter.com/whitehouse/status/1276555736244465667?s=21

lionheart · 27/06/2020 09:54

www.politicususa.com/2020/06/26/trump-putin-bounty-us-troops.html

'The United States concluded months ago that the Russian unit, which has been linked to assassination attempts and other covert operations in Europe intended to destabilize the West or take revenge on turncoats, had covertly offered rewards for successful attacks last year.'

lionheart · 27/06/2020 10:02

Children must be released:

www.nytimes.com/2020/06/26/us/immigrant-children-detention-centers.html?smid=tw-share

thisenglishlife · 27/06/2020 10:14

It's so disgusting that they can do that @lionheart

AskingQuestionsAllTheTime · 27/06/2020 10:35

FaceAche finally showing some basic decency: www.euronews.com/2020/06/27/facebook-expands-hate-speech-rules-amidst-advertiser-boycott

But only after Unilever decided to stop advertising with them because of the vile nature of some of the content there. Good for Unilever, and Coca-Cola too. (Never thought I'd say that. Gosh.)

lionheart · 27/06/2020 10:36

The White House
@WhiteHouse
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'Today, President @realDonaldTrump will sign an executive order to transform the federal hiring process—and replace one-size-fits-all, degree-based hiring with skills-based hiring.'

BruceAndNosh · 27/06/2020 10:42

@TheClaws

I don’t think Ivanka knows the meaning of ‘irony’, going by this video.

The White House @WhiteHouse 1hr

Today, President @realDonaldTrump will sign an executive order to transform the federal hiring process—and replace one-size-fits-all, degree-based hiring with skills-based hiring.

More from @IvankaTrump:

Does this mean Trump gets the boot as he patently doesn't have the skills to be POTUS?
BruceAndNosh · 27/06/2020 10:48

He's just signed an Executive Order which says "Donald, you're fired"

B1rdbra1n · 27/06/2020 11:04

Bill Barr is like the satanic version of Penfold isn't he🤭

AcrossthePond55 · 27/06/2020 14:24

I haven't read the exact order, but I can't say I disagree with returning to an experience-based hiring criteria.

In my career I saw the Civil Service move from hiring talented people for the 'right' job based on work experience to placing so much emphasis on candidates with degrees that they were bringing in absolute idiots who didn't know their arse from a hole in the ground but had the 'right' piece of paper. And they'd give so much weight to a degree, any degree, that it was ridiculous. They'd hire someone with absolutely no 'practical' experience but a degree in Art History or some sort of Literature degree over a candidate with no degree but 10 years experience in a similar private sector job. I also saw a lot of 'new hires' with degrees get jobs over experienced current staff who already knew the ropes. I'd say this started in the late '80s and I saw a lot of good and talented people's careers go stagnant for lack of a piece of paper.

I'm not saying a degree isn't a good thing, just that it's not the only thing.

lionheart · 27/06/2020 15:53

Ah, experience is one thing and on the face of it this looks like a long overdue move.

But the person heralding this EO nicely illustrates the problems it might entail. After all nepotism and its variations have been features of this administration.

www.oann.com/ivanka-trump-praises-new-executive-order-on-federal-hiring-process/

I can see from the responses to this among the Trump base that is welcomed as way of attacking education and the stranglehold of elite institutions etc etc ...

Roussette · 27/06/2020 17:28

This is funny. 'Bye Ivanka'

She has just given a speech and someone has mashed it up.

(Is it just me, but Ivanka's breathy ridiculous voice sets my teeth on edge)

hillreporter.com/commentary-exclusive-new-video-meidastouch-presents-bye-ivanka-the-sequel-71811

B1rdbra1n · 27/06/2020 17:44

I think Trump is now actively trying to cause as much damage as he can to the USA in order to pay the country back for it's rejection of him, if he knows he's going to lose he will take down anything and everything he can
like the family destroyer who burns his house and family when his business fails

lionheart · 27/06/2020 19:46

Scorched earth.

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