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The Great American Comeback Festival - Not (Trump Thread #102)

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TheNorthWestPawsage · 24/06/2020 17:25

President Trump: "Two things have never changed: a wall and a wheel" Yuma, AZ. 23/06/20

Neither have ramps...

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Anniegetyourgun · 20/07/2020 22:52

"He's going into the election while presiding over a big fat failure."

Fixed that for you.

HoldMyLobster · 20/07/2020 23:08
Grin
AcrossthePond55 · 20/07/2020 23:14

Well, this abrupt volte face about briefings and masks is simply his usual tactic of "No no I've always said/done XYZ" when he finally sees what he's being doing isn't getting the result he wants. Which in this case is better poll numbers.

The briefings will be full of lies and 'alternative facts'. And we'll see how long he lasts before he dumps the mask-wearing. It will also be interesting to see how many of his mangy horde take to wearing masks now that 'their favourite president' has deemed them 'patriotic'.

lionheart · 21/07/2020 01:39

Interesting on the polls and the sudden decision to mask.

lionheart · 21/07/2020 01:44

This from a few weeks ago:

prospect.org/politics/youre-fired-sad-trump-resignation-deal/

'In Trump’s case, he is caught in a byzantine web of federal and state charges, as well as private civil litigation. A blanket pardon by Vice President Pence would doubtless be part of any Trump resignation deal. But even if Pence issued a pardon as sweeping as Gerald Ford’s pardon of Richard Nixon, which covered all offenses he committed or “may have committed” during his presidency, that would still leave Trump vulnerable on several fronts.

Article II of the Constitution is crystal clear. The presidential pardon power covers only “offenses against the United States,” not prosecutions under state law, much less private civil cases. And though a pardon could get Trump off the hook for federal criminal tax fraud, he’d still be vulnerable for back taxes based on a government showing that he cooked his books.'

BruceAndNosh · 21/07/2020 05:38

@HoldMyLobster

What really strikes me is that coronavirus could have been a vote winner for Trump if he'd handled it well.

He would have had to take the long view that an early, hard lockdown was the right thing to do regardless of what it did to the economy or his ratings.

He would have had to allow the CDC to make decisions based on science, and worked much more effectively on getting the states what they needed. He already ploughed a huge amount of cash into the economy - I'm not sure he needed to do any more there.

He would have taken a HUGE amount of flak while the economy crashed, the stock market tanked, and people expressed their resentment at being forced to stay home. He'd have hated being unpopular, and he'd have had to hold tight through that period.

By now, if the US had done it right, Covid would be well under control, the economy would be almost all the way to reopening, and businesses would have been able to restart.

People would be grudgingly saying 'Hey, he did a good job. Things are getting better.'

I say all this because this is what some of the state governors chose to do. They took so much flak for it - a month ago Trump was referring to the governor of Maine as a 'dictator'. Now in Maine life is almost back to normal - there's still some social distancing, and we have to wear masks, but we go out shopping, eating, drinking, see friends, go to the gym... and we don't catch Covid in the process.

Our company has outlets all over the east coast of the US, and the ones in the states that reopened carefully (against Trump's advice) are the ones that are by far doing the best.

Our outlets in the Carolinas and Florida are tanking, and we can see no end to it.

I don't see now how Trump can pull things back in time now - he will have to force people to go through the required pain to control Covid, before they can get to the point of enjoying the reopening process, and he needs to do that before the election. He's going into the election while presiding over a big fat failure.

Really good post - If Trump had you as an advisor, he could be doing OK now!

You just KNOW these restarted Coronavirus Press Briefings will end up being 5% about CV and 95% electioneering rants against Biden. The Briefing he did last week was ostensibly about China sanctions over Hong Kong but pretty much degenerated into a ranty shambles.
And he's not going to want Fauci up there with him. He'll tolerate Birx as she's shown she's biddable.
God forbid he runs a coronavirus briefing with NO medical backup... He'll be showing us how to fashion hats out of tin foil to beat the China Virus.

Roussette · 21/07/2020 06:15

HoldMyLobster so agree with you on your post about Covid The leaders of the countries who have handled this better can be held up as a shining beacon, like Jacinda in NZ. Unfortunately, we have nothing to boast about in the UK, but in general the people have been biddable and did lockdown when they should which flattened the curve and made the situation more manageable.

I am glad Trumpy is doing press briefings again, it will hopefully be the last nail in the coffin, because to do them without having the chief Disease Control person there just shows it up for what it is... a Trump rant. When he tricked the networks into showing a press briefing supposedly on Covid, but then ranted on about Biden for over an hour, it showed he just cannot stay on message and help the US out of the situation.

The only reason Trump is now advocating mask wearing and calling it patriotic is poll numbers. No more, no less. He has fired up his base not to wear one for too long, and this is too little too late because he has put too much distance between himself and the pandemic for far too long.

There's fact checking what he said on Covid at the weekend. He doesn't get it. He calls it the sniffles. He says the numbers are high because the country does a lot of testing. He says the country has the best mortality rates. Every single bit of those statements are lies. If he still has this stance, the covid press briefings will bury him

edition.cnn.com/videos/politics/2020/07/20/trump-fox-news-chris-wallace-intv-keilar-fact-check-nr-vpx.cnn

Jaichangecentfoisdenom · 21/07/2020 06:37

When "He says the country has the best mortality rates.", do you think he thinks that because the figures are higher, it means bigger numbers of deaths are a Good Thing? I mean, his thinking on testing is so skewed it's ludicrous. He is really, really stupid as far as intelligence goes, though his political slyness knows no bounds and his sense of self-preservation is well up there with the best. Oh, wait, basically he lies a lot and refuses accountability or responsibility for anything he does wrong and people still vote for him because he's not black or a woman.
I've just come across a series on Amazon Prime called "Good Girls Revolt" and though the title may sound like some porno rubbish Trump would get off on, I found it interesting from the point of view that it is set in the late Sixties and is billed as "historical" but the world it shows, where blacks and women are disregarded and put down despite their abilities, is very similar to the world Trump and his MAGA cronies want to live in 50 years later. Shocking.

Roussette · 21/07/2020 06:51

Jai I'll look for that series, I'm always on the lookout for new stuff.

Jaichangecentfoisdenom · 21/07/2020 07:05

Yes, @Roussette, I've run out of old Australian police series to watch!
I've just looked further and found this, which despite Nora Ephron being a main character, I hadn't realised (my brain is slower than Trump's, these days): "Good Girls Revolt tells the true story of the women of Newsweek (in the series, News of the Week) who sued the magazine for sexual discrimination in 1970."

Roussette · 21/07/2020 07:15

Ooooh my era! Will look out for that.

Grrrpredictivetex · 21/07/2020 07:50

I for one am finding this so interesting. Possibly not so much if I lived in the States, but am thankful for so many knowledgeable people. I've never spent so much time following politics. Thank you all.

Lweji · 21/07/2020 08:08

www.theguardian.com/us-news/2020/jul/20/trump-john-yoo-lawyer-torture-waterboarding

Trump apparently asking for advice on how to rule by decree.
Hmm

Roussette · 21/07/2020 08:45

@Grrrpredictivetex Welcome! Stick around, it's going to be a rocky road ahead Grin

crosseyedMary · 21/07/2020 13:39

m.youtube.com/watch?v=c8PoiAKg_9k
At least Kanye West seems to be out of the running now, upon contemplating a world without him in it he became utterly and completely inconsolable 🤣
I know we should not mock the afflicted but.....wtf😳

lionheart · 21/07/2020 14:29

edition.cnn.com/2020/07/21/politics/trump-coronavirus-briefing/index.html?utm_term=image&utm_content=2020-07-21T12%3A54%3A02&utm_medium=social&utm_source=twCNNp

'(CNN)No White House coronavirus task force members are currently expected to join President Donald Trump at his Tuesday evening briefing on the administration's response to the virus, a person familiar with the plan told CNN but cautioned that could change.

After Trump has largely adopted a strategy of ignoring the pandemic in the last few weeks as his poll numbers have continued to drop, he announced Monday that he would resume resume regular public briefings after discontinuing them in April and declaring them a waste of time. Trump is expected to hold these briefings a few times a week but not on a daily basis like he was earlier this year.'

AcrossthePond55 · 21/07/2020 16:33

And the sad part about these 'resumed (so called) briefings' is that the cult members will lap it all up like cream and accept blindly his assertions that 'I've been right all along. I've always said It was my idea to in the first place".

But as others have mentioned up thread, it will be 1% Covid and 99% campaign. I won't be able to stand it and will have to watch Rachel, Lawrence, or Chris to get the jist of the bullshit.

AskingQuestionsAllTheTime · 21/07/2020 16:41

www.motherjones.com/anti-racism-police-protest/2020/07/trump-border-patrol-cities-portland-chicago/ has a Tweet in it:

Trump War Room - Text TRUMP to 88022
@TrumpWarRoom
President Trump is committed to standing up to the radical mobs that want to tear down our communities. “Some of the unrest we saw… it’s just not acceptable.”
This is about keeping our communities safe!

War Room? War? What is he on? This looks as if he has declared war on Portland.

lionheart · 21/07/2020 18:46

He will declare war on anyone if he thinks it will help his election chances.

AcrossthePond55 · 21/07/2020 18:50

He's declared war on anyone who doesn't worship at his feet.

Cacacoisfarraige · 21/07/2020 19:14

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Boopear · 21/07/2020 20:20

Big time thread lurker here (you guys are great) but just a quick delurk to say that that Lincoln project video is absolutely hilarious. They just hit the spot so so well. I really hope that it gets through to somebody

Roussette · 21/07/2020 20:45

Love the vid!

Welcome Boopear!

This is the cognitive test Trumpy talked about. He says it's hard??? For him to say that is laughable!
www.theguardian.com/us-news/2020/jul/21/donald-trump-cognitive-test-closer-look

Reading this... Shock

www.theatlantic.com/ideas/archive/2020/07/trump-wallowing-self-pity/614434/

lionheart · 21/07/2020 21:06

Hello Boopear.

The Lincoln Project videos are very slick and also funny.

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