To think the McCanns are being almost tortured by the media and the police?

[ArriettyJones]

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I said several days ago (on a thread here) that the letter was probably sent c/o Scotland Yard (and I wasn’t the only one to think so). If I can work that out why can’t the collective brains of German and U.K. detective teams PLUS dozens of European media outlets figure it out?

Why couldn’t Scotland Yard find a missing letter about a high profile, serious crime in their own building FGS?

How long has the delay been? Four or five days? This is cruel.

They need a new liaison officer now and the police need to pull themselves together.

Can you imagine what they have gone through every day for thirteen years? They must go to bed every night and wonder what their little girl suffered

They shouldn’t have left the children. We all know that - they know that. It’s pointless making the same point over and over so many years after the crime.
I am fascinated by this case , and hope the McCanns will some day get some closure in terms of learning what actually happened to Madeleine , even if it’s not good news. Their life has been devastated not just by what happened to their daughter but by terrible mistakes in the investigation, and by the fact that they didn't initially realise that the media was only ever interested in selling stories and not in finding Madeleine.
The vitriol towards them on social media by people whose knowledge of social services, police procedures, legal frameworks and reaction to trauma is based entirely on the lies published in the gutter press is breathtaking

I recently watched the 8 part series, I'm not sure how accurate it was but it if it is then the Portuguese police badly let them down, particularly MM

@Srictlybakeoff

They shouldn’t have left the children. We all know that - they know that. It’s pointless making the same point over and over so many years after the crime. I am fascinated by this case , and hope the McCanns will some day get some closure in terms of learning what actually happened to Madeleine , even if it’s not good news. Their life has been devastated not just by what happened to their daughter but by terrible mistakes in the investigation, and by the fact that they didn't initially realise that the media was only ever interested in selling stories and not in finding Madeleine. The vitriol towards them on social media by people whose knowledge of social services, police procedures, legal frameworks and reaction to trauma is based entirely on the lies published in the gutter press is breathtaking

It's the twins I particularly feel for, it must be horrendous for them as they won't remember their sister but she's obviously been a big part of the influences on their childhood.

@Noeuf

Arietty

I think pedalboat tried to respond by quoting miss Eliza and pressed send too early. So it looks like that.

But these threads never last because people just can't resist the urge to put the boot in

Oh. I’m glad someone is keeping up proper notes in the chaos.

Whatever our respective views on their parenting, MM loved her mum and dad and they loved her, so i hope the German investigation can help them in some way.

I hope they get closure as awful as it is the unknown is worse, living on hope and at the same time hopeful she was dead and not suffering daily if the wrong type had her. 💔

@Pedalboat you clearly have no idea where I'm coming from and you're getting yourself all worked up. I can just imagine all the finger pointing they had to put up with over the years. Calm down.

And yes I bloody get they are normal people which is why I feel sad at the thought of people walking past their house going 'ooh look that's where the McCanns live'. Perhaps you innocently misinterpreted my remark or are just spoiling for a fight.
Why do these threads always turn nasty?

There's another clarification - the Met got a letter on the 12th and passed it in but it didn't say she's dead and the Met are treating it as a missing persons. I do think their first statement could have said that, rather than implying they didn't get a letter but I get they don't really want to comment on every detail.

The relationships between the British, Portuguese & German detectives are clearly absolutely awful.

Germany saying she's dead and the Met apparently saying missing person?

I think cultural differences into play here. As a general rule Germans are quite direct. People feeling they should be more sensitive are coming from the perspective of our cultural norms where things are done in a certain way . I had to explain to a European guy staying with us who was struggling to fit into the work place here that when people ask how you are theynexpextna fine thanks notns full on explanation.

The German police can be criticised maybe for the fact CB has spent so little time in prison but he appears to be a credible suspect, they appear to know what has happened to Madeleine and her parents are closer to knowing what has happened to her and possibly some other children’s parents.

The McCanns made the decision to court the media as assumably they wanted to keep awareness of Madeleine’s case in the public domain and only way to do it. If they hadn’t they wouldn’t be where they are today, with the possibility that they will finally find out and the possibility that other parents may find out what has happened to their children. Whatever you think of them it has been their tenacity and refusal to give up despite everything that has been thrown at them that has got them to this point.

Those who are still putting the boot in are seeing things in shades of black and white and missing the shades of grey in between that make up life. How someone can compare the case to a Mother who left children in a Benidorm town centre is beyond me as is someone going on about people like them holding the McCanns to account. They seem to not realise this is not trial by social media.

The McCanns made the decision to court the media as assumably they wanted to keep awareness of Madeleine’s case in the public domain and only way to do it. If they hadn’t they wouldn’t be where they are today, with the possibility that they will finally find out and the possibility that other parents may find out what has happened to their children. Whatever you think of them it has been their tenacity and refusal to give up despite everything that has been thrown at them that has got them to this point

Exactly this!

I'm entirely cynical, and there's a bit of me that thinks the Met have no interest in acknowledging MM is dead because it would likely mean an end to their annual Portuguese golfing trips.

Not going to lie, that thought did cross my mind. But IF they delayed purposely, surely they must have known that at some stage, the german police would wonder where the letter the sent was?!

Its seemed really weird, the 'investigation'. How a 'new suspect' (who often turned out to be an old one, already lookd at) seemed to appear at convenient times when the funding was due to be reviewed and such. I know they don't tell us everything thats going on, but it seemed they were in PDL an awful lot and no progress ever on anything? If this is even slightly true, the team working on it are horrible. Giving the parents slight hope, so they can basically prolong a holiday?

I don't like thinking this way, but given this situation, I see no excuse besides it being on purpose now to be honest. I feel extremely sorry for the parents in this, the police have massively taken the piss, or been hugely shit at their jobs and put the parents under more stress for no reason. Whichever it is, its not acceptable at all.

Until they have evidence then they won't make a pronouncement on what they think has happened.

I am sure I remember Grange stating it was a burglary gone wrong at some stage. Which has never made the slightest bit of sense to me as..well it just doesn't. Burglars do not take children. A burglar who accidentally hurt a child, would not then decide to take the child, they would get out of there. Unless for some reason, an abductor fancied burgling that night then came across sleeping children? Just seems extremely unlikely compared to someone watching and specifically picking Madeleine tbh.

The home office thing was an obvious myth. So many of those surrounding this.

My post about the police btw was only half serious, I posted before thinking properly so sorry for that. I do wonder though what on earth they have been doing all these years when not one bit of progress seems made and I do find it interesting that when funding decision is due, a 'new' suspect pops up. But that could of course be coincidence. Could also be the way its reported on.

Either way, al of this just hurts the parents more tbh. I almost wish there was a ban on reporting any of it fullstop now. The chance of someone not knowing about the case, seeing a old pic or the aged one and suddenly recognising her are slim to none surely. Would it not be better to let the parents rest from the constant media glare somewhat? Keep THEM involved in the investigation as much as possible, and if correspondance arrives for them, give it to them immediately rather than fanny about and end up losing it. Doesn't seem that hard.

Leaving thread now though as speculating doesn't help them either. I hope they have some form of resolution soon though, and think this whole letter thing is a bloody disgrace.

I remember very well that there was a theory that a burglar may have taken Madeline and that there had been several burglaries in the resort. I dismissed it in my own head because I thought the chances of having a burglar who was also a paedophile seemed remote, until now......

I agree with you Op. Surely the right thing would have been for the German police to contact the British police and have them go to the McCanns in person.

But how would that have worked? 'Your daughter is dead but we can't tell you how we know or what we know.' I can only imagine trying to deliver such news in person. Maybe a letter is kinder, however distasteful I feel it is. We'll only know when the truth comes out.

I can’t see how a letter could be kinder. Police are [hopefully] trained to deliver this news in person.

Whatever you think of them it has been their tenacity and refusal to give up despite everything that has been thrown at them that has got them to this point
I agree. They fought hard to keep her in the news.
I'm thinking they found video or photo evidence he had her.
As awful as it is I hope she is dead and not passed around a ring of sicko's.

@KatherineJaneway

I agree with you Op. Surely the right thing would have been for the German police to contact the British police and have them go to the McCanns in person.

But how would that have worked? 'Your daughter is dead but we can't tell you how we know or what we know.' I can only imagine trying to deliver such news in person. Maybe a letter is kinder, however distasteful I feel it is. We'll only know when the truth comes out.

Maybe the British police could have gone and explained in person that the German police thought X, Y and Z.

It’s pretty clear there is a difference of opinion between the two countries, anyway, so that could have been a kind and accurate way of bringing the McCanns up to date.

It sounds like German Police can't or won't share how they are certain MM is dead.

Sending a letter/s is awful.

But threads like these will always attract strong views from ant McCanns because they just don’t agree with what they did or what they did afterwards.

It’s best not to post about them at all. However ‘innocent’ you intended it to be. Some people find the topic incredibly inflammatory.