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To ask why you divorced your DH

126 replies

BarbiesWorld · 17/06/2020 20:12

Forgive me for asking such an intrusive question, I promise I'm not a journalist.

I've just been juggling bedtime for DD(4) and DS(4 months) again whilst internally wanting to through something hard at DH for being such a useless shit and it got me thinking about what generally causes women to leave their husbands other than cheating.

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Churchonsundays · 18/06/2020 07:41

Thanks for a really helpful thread OP.

*Bookaholic73
I wanted a partner, not another child to look after and clean up after.

I wanted someone to share the load, not add to it.*

This.

We aren’t a team.
There is rarely fun.
I hate his parenting
He puts his (very well paid) job first.

We have just separated. Still in same house. The separation has been a long time coming. I lay on a sun lounger on holiday 2 years ago watching a single mum have so much fun with her 2 DC and I cried behind my sunglasses because I was just too knackered looking after my 2 and my man child to have fun.

To say he doesn’t lift a finger wouldn’t be fair. He says I complain that nothing he does is good enough....and mostly it isn’t. When he clears up after dinner he will never put everything away, never wipe all the surfaces, maybe not actually switch the dishwasher on. Last week he is putting away the laundry, so he leaves all the bedding and towels on the floor beside the airing cupboard.....why can’t he just open the door and put them in? Doesn’t read school emails and then complains he doesn’t know what’s going on.

Won’t do anything with the kids that requires effort.

He isn’t a bad person, but he is a fun sponge. With a temper.

BarbiesWorld · 18/06/2020 07:43

Thank you for all of the replies, I'm a bit overwhelmed.

It seems like a general pattern for most people which is really interesting because the couples I know in real life have all been over infidelity rather than a number of "small" things adding up iyswim.

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VeniceQueen2004 · 18/06/2020 07:58

Of all the things that would bother me least infidelity is at the top. If he was getting his end away outside the relationship regularly, but was relaxed, gentle and patient, I wouldn't give a fiddler's fart. It's the constant low grade tension that occasionally explodes into ugly scenes that grinds me down.

I feel bad though because so many on here complain about their spouse doing nothing round the house and mine does everything. But to the point where I feel completely disempowered because nothing I ever do is "right" or "good enough". If I put on a load of washing it's the "wrong day". And if I try to cook the dinner he keeps leaving the child to come and stir things and superintend, or doesn't intervene when she comes mythering round me so I can't concentrate and then takes over while I'm distracted. It's like he's trying to take control of everything in the house, I have no latitude to just not bother about emptying the dishwasher the second it beeps or was half a load of laundry because my kid's favourite t-shirt is dirty or whatever because everything has to be done at maximum efficiency all the time. I have no autonomy in the home, it all has to be done his way by him. Which I know lots of people with lazy bastard husband's would kill for but I just find it so stressful and demoralising 😔

Happynow001 · 18/06/2020 08:00

@VeniceQueen2004

I don't think the relationship has ever really recovered fromy realisation of this.
How old is your baby? Long term, are you considering staying with your DP if he doesn't change for the better?

LunaNorth · 18/06/2020 08:03

Because he was lazy, possessive, controlling, emotionally unavailable, defensive, passive aggressive, incompetent and inadequate.

And he raped me on our wedding night.

Apart from all that, he was a catch.

Churchonsundays · 18/06/2020 08:08

@VeniceQueen2004 if my H was describing me I would sound like your DH. (Although I wouldn’t complain about the washing being done on the wrong day). He often says that nothing is ever good enough. He never wants to do anything when I’d like it done. He says he’ll do things, and 3 days later they are still not done.....so I’ve learned that I might as well do it or I might wait a week, a month, a year. We are currently paying £130/month for storage because he hasn’t called the storage people and asked them to deliver the stuff......
I am genuinely sorry that he feels so downtrodden, but fixing it isn’t hard, he just doesn’t want to.

Home42 · 18/06/2020 08:11

We’d been married 12 years and had an 8 year old. He’d been a SAHD (but really only because he didn’t want to work) but wouldn’t pull his weight at home. I got more and more frustrated and respected him less and less. Eventually we stopped having sex and the love just spluttered out.
It took another year and more and more frustration for me to finally snap. He left without a fuss and we get along far better now we are separated.

Jkslays · 18/06/2020 08:23

@VeniceQueen2004

Of all the things that would bother me least infidelity is at the top. If he was getting his end away outside the relationship regularly, but was relaxed, gentle and patient, I wouldn't give a fiddler's fart. It's the constant low grade tension that occasionally explodes into ugly scenes that grinds me down.

I feel bad though because so many on here complain about their spouse doing nothing round the house and mine does everything. But to the point where I feel completely disempowered because nothing I ever do is "right" or "good enough". If I put on a load of washing it's the "wrong day". And if I try to cook the dinner he keeps leaving the child to come and stir things and superintend, or doesn't intervene when she comes mythering round me so I can't concentrate and then takes over while I'm distracted. It's like he's trying to take control of everything in the house, I have no latitude to just not bother about emptying the dishwasher the second it beeps or was half a load of laundry because my kid's favourite t-shirt is dirty or whatever because everything has to be done at maximum efficiency all the time. I have no autonomy in the home, it all has to be done his way by him. Which I know lots of people with lazy bastard husband's would kill for but I just find it so stressful and demoralising 😔

No posters wouldn’t want a DH like this.

He has totally ground you down. You’ve got to get out love Flowers

VeniceQueen2004 · 18/06/2020 08:52

@Happynow001 she's three. He's a much much better father to her now she's older, since she could walk and talk basically - but the newborn period was just awful, he had no patience with how high needs she was and how little I had left over for him. I probably should have tried to share the load with him more but because he was so short-tempered and easily frustrated I didn't want him around her that much - I found his outbursts upsetting and I didn't want her being scared by them or her being impacted by his negativity. That's when it all went wrong, i felt let down and on my own, he felt pushed out.

Really it started with my difficult and prolonged labour, I didn't find him a support or a comfort, just something else to worry about as he couldn't handle how long it was taking and how little control we had over the process. I ended up having a section and left hospital AMA because he was so stressed and miserable being on the crowded, noisy ward (so was I, but I had just been cut in half so could have done with the rest and with being actually discharged by a doctor!). Then when we got home he complained because she wouldn't sleep. I ended up going into the living room with her and sleeping on the sofa (he wouldn't move, nor would he stop complaining, and I couldn't handle it). Then he complained about me putting the heating on in the night (it was January!) because the pipes made noises and he couldn't sleep. I couldn't actually believe anyone could be so selfish to someone they were supposed to love who had been through what I had. But he could only see himself and his own suffering.

Basically I think he is on the spectrum (probably HFA, his sister is diagnosed as such and traits are very similar) with some severe sensory problems especially related to noise and to certain sensations like moisture. I think his issues and ensuing rigidity give him severe anxiety; and I think that is what is responsible for his total inability to cope with certain situations and outbursts of anger.

If he could acknowledge that and seek some diagnosis and treatment, develop some strategies for management, we could be OK. In many ways we are compatible (similar views on the world, similar goals for our children, similar sex drives - or we did until breastfeeding and resentment killed mine off!). I come from a broken home and I know that a split family comes with its own issues, especially as it is not likely to be an amicable split because he'd resent it so much. I don't want my kids to have the same issues I do around that.

I am currently about a month pregnant (yes I know Mumsnet, what was I thinking - I actually do have a form of reasoning, but I'm sure it wouldn't stand up to much scrutiny - fundamentally I want my child to have a sibling and I would NEVER give her a stepfather, and I wouldn't engineer a situation where one of my children has a father in their life and the other doesn't. So it was always going to be him or no-one).

Basically, last week after months of peacefulness and co-operation a MASSIVE tantrum blew up out of nowhere, in front of my daughter, who was very upset. My daughter was crying and shouting at him to stop it and he didn't. I've NEVER felt like such a failure as a mother. I had to take the day off to look after her as he stropped off (it was his day off with her); the humiliation of calling my boss in tears will stay with me a long time (even though she was lovely and patient). I told him that evening that I wouldn't tolerate it any longer, that if we separated I would be willing at this stage to terminate the pregnancy if he insisted he didn't want to be its father on that basis (but that I would be happier to separate and keep the baby). He agreed with me that it was his fault and not acceptable (he knows this when he's level) but that he couldn't promise it would never happen again as he is not rational in those moments which is why he behaves as he does. So at least he is being honest.

I've told him it is not my job or our child's job to manage his moods or walk on eggshells, it is absolutely on him and he has to do something about it but I am not going to do it for him. I told him we could pick it up next week (so this week now) but I needed to see he was taking some sort of steps - so either at least going to a GP and speaking about his behaviour and seeing if he could be medicated for anxiety and see if that helps - he is terrified of medication however and feels it would make him dull and unmotivated and not even notice; or at least doing some reading around anxiety management techniques that we can then discuss and he can implement.

But bottom line is that if anything like that ever happens again I am going to end the relationship. I CAN'T keep saying 'the next time this happens...' and then letting things settle back. I can't. I am already failing my daughter by letting her be in such situations. I just know I won't be able to protect her even as much as I do if he has her 50/50; but perhaps if he has her on his own these things won't happen as it's usually the two of us clashing that escalates it?

Sorry about the ramble and taking over the thread. This is all very raw and there's no--one I can talk to properly as too early to tell anyone re pregnancy, and I don't want people in my life to know about this if we do decide to move forward together as then they'd think I was so irresponsible to continue with pregnancy. I know this makes it all the more likely I'm making bad decisions if I am not comfortable telling my friends about them :( but at least this gives me somewhere to get it all out.

VeniceQueen2004 · 18/06/2020 09:17

@Churchonsundays How can it be fixed though? I mean the paying money for storage thing is extreme and not ok. But things like "it needs doing, I want it done now but you're happy to leave it til the weekend" - what do you do about that? His/my only option would seem to be to fall in line (which would make us feel even more downtrodden), or let you/my DP do everything themselves and build up a sense of resentment/ownership ("because I have to do everything around here, I'm in charge!"). I can see it from the other side as well, it would be frustrating to want things a certain way and feel you were reliant on someone with totally different standards to do it for you; but surely being in a relationship/family is about meeting in the middle?

Something I've tried is asking for ownership of certain things, especially things he hates doing, like the laundry - I say "just leave this to me, I will manage it myself and I promise we will not run out of clothes or pants". But he can't cede that much control, he plans a week ahead what the 'best' day to do the laundry is based on all sorts of variables I would never consider, like weather being good enough to hang it outside as he hates it being inside (we hang it in the attic when it's wet out, he has no reason to even go there!), he insists it HAS to go on overnight because he doesn't like listening to the noise of the machine, the machine has to be emptied the second it's finished - it's totally over the top and means I have zero latitude to just play things by ear. I know it's how his mind works and helps him alleviate his stress, but it just puts stress onto me which I would never have otherwise - I've lived alone before, managed my own laundry, and never went naked/dirty, but I don't remember ever thinking about it at all!

I'd be genuinely interested to know from the other side what would constitute solving these problems in a way that doesn't require total submission to the dominant party's idea of what is adequate.

Churchonsundays · 18/06/2020 12:03

@VeniceQueen2004 I've sent you a long PM. Make yourself a cup of tea first! x

runningon · 18/06/2020 17:51

I realised I didn't love him (or like him) and probably never did.
It was a shame for both of us we ever tried to make a relationship out of whatever it was between us.
I don't regret those years, I'm so happy now and I really appreciate my life - I genuinely feel reborn.
Luckily we didn't have children together which I am so grateful for as I don't have to have him in my life, he turned very bitter when I divorced him.

TheWernethWife · 18/06/2020 18:18

1st exH - because he was a violent twat and scared the kids.

2nd exH - because his pregnant girlfriend turned up at the house to inform me of their affair.

I have outlived the bloody pair of them.

newtb · 18/06/2020 18:38

40 years of emotional, financial and sexual abuse. He also became an alcoholic.

Should have left when he smashed his knuckle by punching me in the head 3 months after we were married.

You live and learn, better late than never!

Happynow001 · 18/06/2020 22:37

OMG newtb !! Thank goodness you are out of that now.

Moanranger · 18/06/2020 23:29

exH had a gold plated CV -Oxbridge, London business school - but the ethical standards of the Krays. He would regularly steal from his employers and was a weasel. I lost all respect for him, but had small children, so stuck it out.
He was v bad at sex, but also a sex pest.
An alcoholic, and a misery-guts, constant low level anger
Ironically, he was Ok-ish at helping round the house & with kids. Liked DIY
The last straw was he committed major tax fraud, only avoided prison due to my efforts & cost us six figure fines to HMRC
I spent my life constantly managing him & his anger & moods
Divorced after 24 yrs, almost immediately met someone wonderful, partly due to the fact I was so emotionally starved but didn’t realise it. Still with my current partner who is nice, kind, funny, GREAT in bed & whom I share lots of interests.
The divorce was awful, awful, but frankly if you are being abused and are emotionally starved, it is worth it to get away from someone so toxic & emotionally draining.
Good luck!

cookiemon666 · 19/06/2020 04:45

I was essentially a single parent, whilst being married. He was financially and emotionally abusive. He threatened to thump my oldest daughter. He wanted me to abort my youngest son!!

CharlottaCarlotta · 19/06/2020 12:12

The bad times started to heavily outweigh the good times. He resented that I put the children’s needs before his. He constantly criticised me. He was a hypocrite. I didn’t like him anymore.

StripeyDeckchair · 19/06/2020 12:44

He was desperate for children & I agreed.
He'd lost his job so the conditions were

  • he had to get a new job first
  • all costs of children inc childcare to be shared 50/50
  • all caring inc housework to be shared 50/50
  • clear open communication (his favourite trick was to not talk to me for days if we disagreed, it could be over some time as simple as what to have for dinner)

I feel pregnant quickly. His job didn't work out

  • he stopped job hunting
  • I had to work til the last minute & then go back to work when twins were 5 months old to survive financially
  • he refused to care for our children while I worked
  • he refused to stand up to his awful mother & support me
  • when the twins were about 14 months old i had to go into town shopping for work clothes & to get my hair done. When i came back the children were in their playpen. He hadn't given the a drink, fed them, changed them or played with them.
I'd been out 9.30 - 2/2.30 I wanted to kill him

By the time they were 18 months old

  • I'd left him
  • I had a new job 100 miles away closer to my family
  • I'd sold that house & bought a new one; tiny but on a large plot. I extended it twice essentially building a new house.
  • when his parents turned up at the house prior to moving to tell me how awful I was I told them exactly why I was moving & how they had contributed towards the failure of our marriage. That felt really good - his mother had been a bitch to me throughout our time together.
pinotgrigio · 19/06/2020 12:52

Because he is a terrible human being. He showed his true self within months of me becoming pregnant, raped me to try to get me pregnant again and is a mysogynistic racist. I think I'll be out within 6 weeks and will never see him again.

arethereanyleftatall · 19/06/2020 13:46

Affairs aside; it was the realisation that I preferred home when he wasn't home. Not just for one night, but always.

Bouledeneige · 19/06/2020 13:55

He had a 10 month affair with a woman 20 years younger than him. When I found out he was starting up with the next one, my children were 6 and 4. We went to counselling so I could work out what I wanted and it helped me evaluate the relationship - he was detached, unemotional and selfish with very little integrity whilst presenting himself as this right on man. And he broke my heart.

It was 13 years ago and I have raised two fantastic rounded young people. He is in their lives and loves them but I'm the one they rely on.

Moanranger · 19/06/2020 15:21

It’s when you dread hearing his key in the latch & his footsteps entering the house, you know it is time to go

LellyMcKelly · 19/06/2020 16:26

He turned out to be gay.

CrisisCrunchie · 20/06/2020 19:32

1st XH - had an affair while I was pregnant & then didn’t care about our DD because he only wanted a son & stole from his employer (I divorced him while he was in prison)

2nd XH - turned into a sulky man child who would actually not talk to me for days at a time & would always side with his mother over me (I was his first wife, he is currently on number 3 after number 2 divorced him for the exact same reasons!)

Thankfully I have now been married to DH number 3 for almost 18 years because he is an actual responsible grownup