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Boris Johnson's painted plane

146 replies

Theworldisfullofgs · 17/06/2020 19:41

Am I completely out of touch? I can't tell anymore.

Is spending £900k on painting a plane ridiculous at any time and even more so right now?

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LaMarschallin · 17/06/2020 22:56

Boris's new chat up line: "Would you like to ride my painted plane? Woff!"

g.co/kgs/rx8MNn

MaggieMay1972 · 17/06/2020 22:58

Aeroplanes need repainting all the time.

Buttercup77 · 17/06/2020 23:02

How does being critical of the government or thinking spending £1million on painting a plane when there are serious things that need funding in this country make someone a “frothing leftie”? Anyone on the right, centre or left can be critical.

chomalungma · 17/06/2020 23:06

eroplanes need repainting all the time

Must be better paint than B&Q sell.

mrsBtheparker · 17/06/2020 23:13

That is the figure were it done commercially, however all aircraft need maintaining, repainting etc., this job will be done by HM Fprces who are already paid so the real cost will be nowhere near £900k, sorry all those looking to make a cheap point.

ShinyFootball · 17/06/2020 23:49

'Aeroplanes need repainting all the time.'

Got anything to back that up?
How the fuck would Ryanair keep going if their planes needed repainting 'all the time' at approaching £1m a pop?

Cars these days can live outdoors and the paint job lasts for years. Ok they aren't whizzing through the sky, but you'd think that the aerospace industry would have come up with something pretty nifty as rust would be really fucking dangerous...

ohoneohtwo · 17/06/2020 23:49

That is the figure were it done commercially

Erm?

however all aircraft need maintaining, repainting etc., this job will be done by HM Fprces who are already paid so the real cost will be nowhere near £900k,

No, the aircraft will be repainted by a private company.

sorry all those looking to make a cheap point.

Oh 😬

ShinyFootball · 17/06/2020 23:56

I googled

Oh wow...

'According to United Airlines, their aircraft are repainted every seven years on average. Most aircraft adopt white paint schemes in order to reflect the sun's radiation. However, over time an aircraft's shiny new paint job becomes old, hence the need to repaint aircraft.2 May 2019'

All the time??? I mean common sense and a grasp of basic economics and life would surely make any same person think... That can't be right?

'A Boeing 747 costs $200,000 USD in material and labour costs to repaint.6 May 2019'

Google has more stuff if anyone wants to poke around. These were the top results.

ShinyFootball · 17/06/2020 23:58

It would be interesting to know what company has been contracted to carry out this work.

The track and trace app (which seems to be shit, must have cost a bomb, and why not use the Google& Apple one?) Was a mate of Cummings I think.

ShinyFootball · 18/06/2020 00:01

Let me paste this from Google again..

''A Boeing 747 costs $200,000 USD in material and labour costs to repaint.6 May 2019''

That's 5 times less than this, more or less. What do people make of that?

ShinyFootball · 18/06/2020 00:03

'All told, repainting a plane costs between £36,375 ($50,000) and £145,503 ($200,000). '

Telegraph 2018

www.google.com/amp/s/www.telegraph.co.uk/travel/travel-truths/why-planes-are-painted-white/amp/

That's some of inflation in 2 years!

LadyTmalia · 18/06/2020 00:10

That is the figure were it done commercially

Erm?

however all aircraft need maintaining, repainting etc., this job will be done by HM Fprces who are already paid so the real cost will be nowhere near £900k,

No, the aircraft will be repainted by a private company.

The plane would have been painted commercially, by a private firm - or at least a supplier who work with the HM Forces - not them themselves, The figure of £900k (or £1M as it keeps getting inflated - it could be £2M when I wake up tomorrow!!)) is not the true cost, it will be much lower with saving and efficiencies applied. It also wont have been ordered last week or even last month, probably more like 2018 when it was paid for. These things take a very long time, once the money is committed (in 2018 probably) it wont be easily uncommitted without even more cost therefore not a value for money option.
and it is never done flippantly, the amount of hoops and bureaucracy it goes through is insane - and thats usually a good thing.

PastMyBestBeforeDate · 18/06/2020 00:21

Painting a plane used by dignitaries in a special paint job make it a target. Seems strange before you get on to the cost.
You could pay for a fair few nurses or teachers with the best part of a million quid.

Jente · 18/06/2020 00:34

Tories gonna Tory.

ohoneohtwo · 18/06/2020 01:09

It would be interesting to know what company has been contracted to carry out this work.

Marshall Aerospace

ShinyFootball · 18/06/2020 01:13

A quick look at their site shows that painting planes is very much outside their usual business. Waay outside.

Interesting.

peppapigisscottish · 18/06/2020 01:21

What the fuck has repainting it got to do with maintaining its air refuelling capability ? Hmm

ohoneohtwo · 18/06/2020 01:21

A quick look at their site shows that painting planes is very much outside their usual business.

Waay outside.

Interesting.

You are looking for something that isn't there.

It's the absolute norm.

tenredthings · 18/06/2020 01:42

This is straight out of the Trump book of WTFu*kery. Create a scandal as a distraction. No matter if it's detrimental to the person concerned. This is yet another dead cat to distract us from Tory mass murder and no deal Brexit. It's from the same team that diverted us by putting a box round Churchill's statue.
Divert and distract is the name of the game whilst Democracy is eroded away and the Britain we know is irrevocably changed for the worse.

ShinyFootball · 18/06/2020 01:50

'A quick look at their site shows that painting planes is very much outside their usual business.

Waay outside.

Interesting.

You are looking for something that isn't there.

It's the absolute norm.'

Show me on their site where it talks about this as a service.

They are interested in research, advanced engineering etc.

They probably would paint a plane, but it would come at a cost. Oh, wait...

VaggieMight · 18/06/2020 01:51

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ShinyFootball · 18/06/2020 01:53

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Yep painting a plane sounds right up their Street Hmm

ShinyFootball · 18/06/2020 01:56

They sound like they do super interesting stuff.

But painting a plane? Nope not their business.

Bet there are businesses that exist for this specifically that would be more than happy to quote!

XDownwiththissortofthingX · 18/06/2020 02:32

So which Tory cabinet minister's wife set up a consultancy painter and decorator's firm to be 'awarded' the contract this time then?

Sin8e · 18/06/2020 03:33

@ShinyFootball

They sound like they do super interesting stuff.

But painting a plane? Nope not their business.

Bet there are businesses that exist for this specifically that would be more than happy to quote!

Marshall own one of the largest cvil aviation paintshops in Europe, iirc Airbus a380 shops beat them now though.

And they are famous for doing one off custom designs for airlines.

They are the people you go to for a project like this.

This is the UK equivalent of airforce one though and budgets for projects can give away what's been done to the aircraft, hiding things in an inflated paint budget may have occured. CIA $500 hammers all over again.

Otherwise it's just the rapid turn around and the highly custom design, I'd guess not a flat flag paint but the "rippling in the wind" photo effect which will take ages to do.