To tell teachers bashers to go and complain to their own fucking schools

[Frozenfan2019]

Aibu to be fed up to the back teeth of ignorant comments like "do your job like everyone else" and " it's your vocation" aimed at all and any teachers who happen to be on a thread. If you have a problem with the teaching provided by your own school contact them. People commenting have no idea of the workload that the people they are trolling online might be struggling with. It's bullying plain and simple and wouldn't be allowed to be aimed at other groups.

Do you honestly believe that every single teacher in the UK is lazy? If not why not contact YOUR school about the issues you have with YOUR child's teacher instead of starting yet another general teacher bashing thread.

As a teacher on here I have to say I have never been more demotivated. I work hard for my kids at school while also homeschooling my own three like so many of us. How dare you make me feel like I am failing because you have an issues, unfounded in some cases I am sure, with your school?

They are your children take some responsibility, contact the school if you have concerns and accept that most teachers are fired for the children they each but we don't make many of the decisions. They are made at a much higher level.

Pigeon999 what ARE you in about?
Yes, every child has a right to an education... but the state don’t HAVE to provide that.
It’s a parents legal duty to provide an education by either engage if with a state or private school or by homeschooling. The state does not have a legal duty to provide education and people are not prosecuted if their children not attending school... they may be prosecuted for not providing an education.

Hardworking teachers should be furious with their colleagues who haven’t delivered

Sorry, I’m too busy working to be furious with your class teacher on your behalf.

I’ve been pretty furious with the government’s handling of the whole situation though.

And, as evidenced by many schools recently, an education may be provided remotely/online.
But I suspect our feathered friend above is being deliberately provocative, so it's probably best to nod and smile and scroll on past her mad posts.

I’ve tried asking as a parent, and as a parent governor I’ve tried asking the SLT and chair, to improve the quality of the work ‘set’, to have any feedback, for teaching videos, or to have a telephone call from school to the children at home. After weeks and weeks of asking, I finally had a formal response saying the Unions state it is optional for teachers to offer any education during this time! Wtaf?
Full pay and do bare minimum, cheers then!

Each school is different and I get that, but equally that’s where half the issues lie. A lot of teachers do seem to think they have the hardest role in this whole pandemic.

Sorry, I’m too busy working to be furious with your class teacher on your behalf.

It’s not my profession taking a major PR hit here.

A lot of teachers do seem to think they have the hardest role in this whole pandemic.

I do not believe I have seen any post suggesting any teacher thinks this. Ever.

What I have seen is thread after thread after thread, slagging the whole profession off, every single day since the schools closed. Teachers get sick of this rudeness and reply saying they have actually been working.

This gets extrapolated somehow as teachers ‘thinking they have the hardest role in this whole pandemic’.

Which fits their teacher bashing’ narrative.

It’s wearing, offensive and repetitive.

@RangeOfMovement

Just a reminder to teachers - you are "keyworkers" so if you need your children to attend school/nursery etc so you can work you can ask for this.

My daughter's nursery shut when my school shut and is still closed. There is a hub nursery running 15 mins away from her usual nursery. Would I send her to a strange setting with staff and children she doesn't know at all? Nope. I had to do about 5 settling in sessions with her less than a year ago to ensure she felt happy and safe in her current nursery, I will not dump her unceremoniously in a totally strange environment. My job responsibilities do not trump my own daughter's wellbeing. If her usual nursery had still been open that would have been an entirely different matter and I would have been happy for her to go to allow me to carry out more of my job.

It’s not my profession taking a major PR hit here.

Yes-by you.

I have been working. My colleagues have been working. I am not cross with anyone I know-we are all working.

You are the one who is cross, not me.

A lot of teachers do seem to think they have the hardest role in this whole pandemic.
No. They really don't.
If any teacher on here (or anywhere else, for that matter) has been listing the sorts of things they've been doing recently, it will only be in answer to people accusing them of doing nothing.

Yes-by you

No. Not just by me.

Keep kidding yourself though if you want.

Weird, this is.

Always seems to go the same way.

The teachers on here seem to stick together like some peculiar tribe.

Many threads from concerned parents who aren’t getting anything from their schools.

They come on here to see what the norm is, what they should expect, what other parents are doing to support, and any advice from professional teachers also much appreciated.

I don’t get then why all the teachers wade in...”I’m doing 4 hours of lessons per day, loads of admin, extra planning, looking after my own kids.....” etc etc

You know. That’s great. Who are you defending? 🤷‍♀️

@Appuskidu

A lot of teachers do seem to think they have the hardest role in this whole pandemic.

I do not believe I have seen any post suggesting any teacher thinks this. Ever.

What I have seen is thread after thread after thread, slagging the whole profession off, every single day since the schools closed. Teachers get sick of this rudeness and reply saying they have actually been working.

This gets extrapolated somehow as teachers ‘thinking they have the hardest role in this whole pandemic’.

Which fits their teacher bashing’ narrative.

It’s wearing, offensive and repetitive.

Couldn't agree more. I don't think teachers have hardest role in this whole pandemic. I think that medal probably goes to the nurses, carers and doctors who have had to watch many die and go to work every day with Covid patients or potentially Covid patients and worry if they will be the next ones to catch it and in an ICU bed.

For everyone working from home with children and no child care this whole situation has been incredibly difficult. I don't even know how single parents have managed it- my DH can only help for 1 hour during working day on his lunch break because he works for a bunch of t*ers who are being just as zealous over productivity levels etc as they were in normal circumstances, threatening disciplinary to those who aren't as productive as normal and telling anyone who cites no childcare as reason for their lower productivity to take the time unpaid. We can't afford to lose his wage or we will lose our house. BUT at least I have that hour and toddler's nap time to try and fit some work in. No similar reprieve for a lot of single parents- I take my hat off to each and every one of them.

If there is no pandemic - then there is no reason to override the provisions of article one!

So whilst I don't doubt you are a legal expert, as well as a teaching expert, I think you will find that once we get to September there will be no legal reason to keep the schools closed!

As I said before, it is utterly pointless debating it any longer, because the schools will definitely reopen in September and all of this nonsense will be put to bed finally!

Here's an idea - perhaps stop voluntarily taking personal offence when a poster you don't know posts about a school you don't work in and you're not the teacher they're moaning about

This!!!!! So much this

I think the point that is being made, is all other professions have just bitten down on the mouth piece and got on with things. Shop workers, emergency services etc

It does appear, I stress appear, that Teachers feel proportionality negatively impacted by this pandemic. I have many friends who are teachers. Their response have ranged from increased working hours and exhaustion, to basically a three month holiday with a weekly check in.

Goodness another thread.

YANBU of course OP because of course not every teacher is lazy doing nothing. But some are not doing much at all and parents are allowed to be frustrated. Yes those parents should take it up with their school.

Our school have been brilliant. We’ve had work set every day and regular contact including phone calls. They encourage us to send in pictures and videos. Mine are going in on keyworker days when we work and are really enjoying it.

Here's an idea - perhaps stop voluntarily taking personal offence when a poster you don't know posts about a school you don't work in and you're not the teacher they're moaning about

This again!!! It’s bizarre. Like you can’t be a person in your own right, capable of offering useful professional advice if you felt like it. Part of some weird tribe. YOU CRITICISE ON OF US, YOU CRITICISE US ALL!!

I was a teacher - I understand the workload/stress/mismanagement matrix however I have been forced to complain on many occasions to make a complaint re a number of teachers - but apparently it could now cost too much ££ to remove the cretins who have all but ruined our G’daughter’s primary education -

The highly variable access to education is a nationwide problem. It's not going to be fixed by individual parents speaking to individual schools. Nor will it be fixed by those individual teachers and individual schools. We have a department of Education for a reason and more should have been done to standardise access and quality of education to all children across schools. And posting bloody flowers when parents express concern for their children is pathetic.

@Clavinova yes, I work at an independent school. Y11/13 have paid for this term (as they always would), but like the rest of the school have been given a % reduction in fees. It’s still a huge amount of work to get new materials prepared in a rush, and I’ve been allocated a chunk of Y11s to look after in my free periods (I don’t normally teach Y11 as I’m part time), so it’s extra work. I’m not complaining, I just get on with my job, but I am sick of having my whole profession criticised and accused of laziness/incompetence.

And posting bloody flowers when parents express concern for their children is pathetic.

Yes, this.

You might as well say no mil threads - take it up with individual mils

I'm.not objecting to people moaning about individual teachers, I'm objecting to people who saying things like " teachers are failing our children". " Schools should be doing this". "teachers should work across the summer, it's their vocation" "schools should be doing live sessions"

I think parents should be able to post about legitimate grievances with schools and teachers.

The kind of posters who post grievances and solutions constructively and write things like “is it normal for my teacher to be doing this? How can the school do more for me? Do I have a legitimate complaint?” vs posters who write things like “why the hell are teachers lazy? Why do teachers think they’re special? Why are these Marxist unions destroying our lives? Why do teachers complain when they get 3 months paid holiday?” (that ones a particular favourite as teachers don’t get paid for holidays, ever)

It’s a small proportion of posters who are ruining it by throwing grenades into what could be very constructive threads. They’re the ones who are completely destroying the conversations and stifling debate. I don’t blame teachers for getting defensive for an assault on their already underpaid and overworked profession. And they have a recruitment and retention crisis!

Imagine if the same thing was written on the health threads about doctors and nurses? “Why are nurses so shit? Why are so many people dying? Why are nurses so overpaid when I’ve been 3 years on a waiting list for an operation?”

It’s just the usual suspects that love a bit of teacher bashing that ruins it for parents who actually have legitimate and constructive grievances. In fact, I have seen many teaching threads of a civil nature.

Same here but hub nursery was 30 mins away from home and in opposite direction from work.

Fortunately normal preschool is open now - but only offering 3 days a week.

Somehow some people seem to think our children don't matter.

We are just so sick and tired of being painted as the enemy that it's no wonder people take it personally when the umpteenth thread spouts utter nonsense and vitriol against teachers in general.