Why are ASDA normalising paedophilia and Child Abuse?

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Is it OK for ASDA to send parents emails linking to an organisation that normalises paedophilia with red flag phrases such as "love has no age", and recommending books for children that contain explicit descriptions of child sex abuse? Why are they doing this? Are ASDA experts in home schooling and safeguarding? More details in this excellent thread by Safe Schools Alliance: twitter.com/SafeSchools_UK/status/1272638132589035520

This is a male-centric pack - written by males, for males.

Underage males.

This is all so deeply sinister.

Ender- they are probably thinking more of transwomen who have had surgery than the sexual responses of women/ girls.

Similar to teen Vogue piece on anal which focused on males- the diagrams they had of sexual anatomy of 'prostate havers' and 'non prostate havers' did not include the clitoris. Which says an awful lot.

That's exactly my interpretation Shiny. This is not a guide designed to normalise LGBT relationships, it designed to normalise T ones only. It's why the clitoris has a bit part, vaginas are dry and breasts aren't mentioned.

I can almost visualise the teacher’s face as they pull that piece of paper out the pack! I would bet you anything it would be cast aside as inappropriate.

It would be if the teacher was properly trained in safeguarding and is a qualified teacher with a registration to lose. But the situation now is that unqualified people are let loose with classes. They are 'cover supervisors' and their remit is to deliver the material they are given. So the pack would be given to a TA or someone covering PPA. They have no other materials to pick from, just this lesson plan and game. They have a class of rowdy children to keep contained. The pressure to just plough on and keep going would be considerable.

@clymene, if course. I didn't see that, but it's obvious now. This about normalising trans sex, so of course if couldn't possibly mention breasts.

It gets worse and worse. Why the fuck isn't this on the front page of the newspapers? Christ, they normally love a look-at-this-latest-waste-of-taxpayers-money story.

I've just shown it to DH who up until now has been a bit bemused by my sudden interest in feminism and trans rights. Let's just say he gets it now and is equally horrified. The more fathers who are made aware of this the better.

It’s interesting to think about the two ends of a certain spectrum in this context - on one hand the many, many young girls going through puberty who are desperate to somehow ‘opt out’ of their femalehood for various reasons, and the overwhelmingly middle aged men trying to opt their way in...

And as the website points out, this pack:
Helps you meet your statutory requirements to deliver LGBT+ inclusive RSE;
Helps you meet the needs of all students, including those that are LGBT+, and those from LGBT+ families, in line with the Equality Act (2010) and Ofsted obligations;

Proud Trust is government funded.

It’s interesting to think about the two ends of a certain spectrum in this context - on one hand the many, many young girls going through puberty who are desperate to somehow ‘opt out’ of their femalehood for various reasons, and the overwhelmingly middle aged men trying to opt their way in

This seems to be a question no one even thinks to answer. If we are supposed to believe that more kids are coming forward as it's more understood and more widely known about now, then where are all the middle aged transmen?

Instead we have middle aged men who have had families, careers, made names for themselves etc re defining themselves as women and actively fighting for children to be put on an irreversible pathway. A pathway they claim would have saved their life or whatever, but are speaking with full mental/brain development afforded to them by having not taken the drugs.

And it's so easy for then to say they would have taken these drugs but then they wouldnt have their kids so they cant really believe they would rather not have their children surely?

Amd also males arent losing anything body wise. Because when they went through full male puberty, taking oestrogen actually helps retain bone density as it's a lack.of oestrogen that contributes to bones becoming weaker in women in older age.

Any other situation and we would be looking into this. But again frickin glitter invisibility cloak.

Ender- they are probably thinking more of transwomen who have had surgery than the sexual responses of women/ girls.

Yes, quite. The tiny minority of males who get their penis removed and fashioned into something that is supposed to resemble a vagina of course come before the pleasure of sexually healthy functioning female bodies. Some vaginas lubricate when aroused indeed....

The other thing I dont get with this, is why do 13 year old kids need to know about all the different types of stuff that consenting adults do with each other? What's wrong with 13 year olds thinking that sex is 'vanilla' and limited with what you do? What's wrong with them not knowing that some blokes like to video themselves sticking coke cans up their arse and posting it on Twitter (an everlasting image courtesy of me typing #transgirls into Twitter). As they get older and their brains develop, they will come to learn this stuff appropriately. And there is nothing wrong with thinking 'Ewwww' about certain sexual practices, gay or straight. People, and certainly not 13 year old kids, do not need to accept everyone's kinks and fetishes and sexual practices. Making a child feel like they aren't being 'inclusive' if they are uncomfortable hearing about anal sex or 'docking' is straight up grooming.

I know access to porn is an issue now that it wasn't when we were kids, but again, what's wrong with telling 13 year olds that what they might see in porn is not normal. That it's not normal for a woman to have a penis in her mouth, anus and vagina at the same time and that most women would not enjoy that? I guess that would be shaming the millions of people who apparently do enjoy it....

Sorry, I am ranting here a bit, but I am kind of horrified at the way boundaries are being eroded. How can we teach kids to have normal healthy boundaries when it comes to sex when we are literally teaching them that 'anything goes' at the age of 13?

Relevant information and discussion here and further, here which also ties in with JKR’s very eloquent essay.

I cannot stop being angry about this. Almost a thousand posts. I imagine many thousands of MN readers. Core Asda customers. Ignored and dismissed as ‘misinterpreting’.

We could have told Asda this is who Diversity Role Models are. This is in their DNA. This isn’t a mistake.

DNA? Does that actually exist these days? One could easily be forgiven for thinking it’s gone the way of things like chromosomes and other facts of biology...

Oh God this is all so disturbing.
DS 14 is meant to be having the new sex ed curriculum next year. The kid is very open with me (sometimes too much!), we talk about things like porn, I know some of his friends have seen it. He is, he says, quite scared of porn, of seeing things he might not want to see. (I KNOW a lot of parents are in the dark, I might be wrong, but this fits with a late-puberty, squeamish boy who wont even watch scary movies. Plus I am pretty tech savvy and check his phone randomly, all the time).

The idea of adult asking him to "hold his nerve" and learn all aboput how to force objects up dry vaginas (SOME vaginas lubricate??) makes me want to rip the heads off these fucking nasty perverts who wrote this.
CHILDREN DON'T NEED A FUCKING MANUAL OF KINKY SEX PRACTICES TAUGHT TO THEM BY ADULTS.
Ds will be off sick on the days they have sex ed. What are they gonna do after 6 months of no school? Fine me? I will not be forced to subject a child to what I actually consider to be sexual abuse. Surely in law it IS abuse to expose children to explicit sexual themes??
I'm raging.

I looked at this thread when it was first posted, and was unexpectedly horrified, but it's just gorore and more concerning. If you put some of these messages together, they just scream red flag.

Say a 13 year old boy or girl had been groomed for 3 years. They've had times when things felt wrong, they wondered but had the message that if things don't make them feel uncomfortable then they're not abuse. They are repeatedly told this is what they want and it's love, well they've already been taught that love had no age limit. Now they're abuser is pressuring them to try things that they feel are shocking, but hey, here comes a nice lady in a PSHCE lesson with a game all about anal sex, so maybe it is OK after all. Maybe they're just a prude etc etc.

Who is pushing this? I normally get told I'm too open to educating kids about SRE, but this is just wrong. It's insidious.

CHILDREN DON'T NEED A FUCKING MANUAL OF KINKY SEX PRACTICES TAUGHT TO THEM BY ADULTS.

Exactly. They don't need the, ahem, ins and outs of it taught to them. Part of growing up and starting to explore sexually and everything should be finding this stuff out for yourself, finding out what you like and what you don't like, and it's a gradual process. Not teaching it explicitly, including very niche sexual practices, all in one go like you would teach a child how to make Katsu Curry in home economics. People figured out how to have sex for millenia before having it taught explicitly by pervy adults. Yes, have conversations about safe sex, about consent, about boundaries, but blow by blow (sorry) teaching of different niche sexual practices, going into great detail, at 13? No.

It reminds me of a couple of years ago when I think it was Peter Tatchell was advocating for kids to be taught 'how to masturbate' in school? WTF? The whole point of masturbation is that you are figuring out what you like and what gives you pleasure, in a safe way, and that you are doing that yourself. You don't need to be taught that by an adult!

It reminds me of a couple of years ago

Also, WTF is an 'external clitoris'? They mean.... clitoris?

Is this another trans thing - saying that the prostate is actually an 'internal oh so womanly clitoris'?

I think you’ll find that a certain faction of T have thought up the utter bollocks that their penises are enlarged sexual organs of the female anatomy.

@Enderthedragon

Ender- they are probably thinking more of transwomen who have had surgery than the sexual responses of women/ girls.

Yes, quite. The tiny minority of males who get their penis removed and fashioned into something that is supposed to resemble a vagina of course come before the pleasure of sexually healthy functioning female bodies. Some vaginas lubricate when aroused indeed....

The other thing I dont get with this, is why do 13 year old kids need to know about all the different types of stuff that consenting adults do with each other? What's wrong with 13 year olds thinking that sex is 'vanilla' and limited with what you do? What's wrong with them not knowing that some blokes like to video themselves sticking coke cans up their arse and posting it on Twitter (an everlasting image courtesy of me typing #transgirls into Twitter). As they get older and their brains develop, they will come to learn this stuff appropriately. And there is nothing wrong with thinking 'Ewwww' about certain sexual practices, gay or straight. People, and certainly not 13 year old kids, do not need to accept everyone's kinks and fetishes and sexual practices. Making a child feel like they aren't being 'inclusive' if they are uncomfortable hearing about anal sex or 'docking' is straight up grooming.

I know access to porn is an issue now that it wasn't when we were kids, but again, what's wrong with telling 13 year olds that what they might see in porn is not normal. That it's not normal for a woman to have a penis in her mouth, anus and vagina at the same time and that most women would not enjoy that? I guess that would be shaming the millions of people who apparently do enjoy it....

Sorry, I am ranting here a bit, but I am kind of horrified at the way boundaries are being eroded. How can we teach kids to have normal healthy boundaries when it comes to sex when we are literally teaching them that 'anything goes' at the age of 13?

I completely agree. And I'm sick to death of people saying but they're going to learn about this in porn anyway.

Well tackle porn then!

And one way to do that is by teaching children in school how harmful it is. By teaching girls and boys to have and respect boundaries.

Almost all porn degrades women. The lessons in school should be asking why and how misogynistic it is.

And the response that you're a prude or frigid, etc is just a means to silence. (I mean calling women prudes to force them into sex they don't want isn't exactly novel). Do the people writing these lessons today really think that no one else has ever had sex before them? That it was all missionary position, lie back and think of England?

It's risible.

During my dating years, sex advice was how to please women most of the time. How to find the elusive clitoris and give her multiple orgasms.

But now?

The idea of adult asking him to "hold his nerve" and learn all aboput how to force objects up dry vaginas (SOME vaginas lubricate??) makes me want to rip the heads off these fucking nasty perverts who wrote this.

Have any teachers who've 'used' the pack containing the dice spoken out about it? I'd be interested to know.

Aside from the gross inappropriate nature of the material there surely must be some concerns about the legal position of the teachers also?

As adults in charge they are responsible for keeping the children safe and using this material which is so clearly inappropriate and dangerous must open them up to the possibility of accusations of grooming and child abuse?

I think they mean what most people would call the clitoris. Technically, most of the clitoris is internal and I can see why when discussing anatomy that would be discussed, but with the resources that have been posted barely discussing it at all, I'm not entirely sure.

Yes that is true (re: the clitoris being internal more so than external).

But it’s really hard to know for sure these days what things like this actually refer to, with all the anatomical-alphabet-soup-pretzel-logic-negation-of-biological-fact claptrap!

Hold your nerve! = abandon all boundaries.

Our poor kids.

is there a petition against the use of the dice pack and similar materials? Could someone start one? I would willingly sign it.

I would too.

Do we know if Safe Schools Alliance are aware of this?