Are women allowed to be offended by Drag/ women face now then?

[Chosennone]

Things are changing. Strange times. Midst Pandemic. Horrific events in the USA. people are 'waking' up to oppression and inappropriateness within comedy.
If it is no longer seen as acceptable to wear any kind of black costume, seen in LB, LOG, Ant & Dec, surely it is time that a sensible debate could be had on Drag. Is it acceptable? Is it not a mockery of female features for comedy in the same way original blackface was?
If not, why not?

No I did not mean shut up ladies, don’t you dare put words into my mouth. If you’re angry make an argument, don’t make me your punching bag.

Drag is mocking gender stereotypes, it’s not mocking women. Sometimes this is done better than other times.

It’s a massive leap to conflate rape statistics with drag. Do you really think rapists watch drag and think, ohhh great it’s encouraging me to rape even more? Rape is abhorrent and shouldn’t happen. Drag is not the reason rapists rape.

And no I do not think drag is an attack on women’s rights.

There are many things attacking women’s rights right now. Like I said, please do not lump TRAs who fetishise themselves as women and want to force the rest of us to indulge their fantasy in with the same group as burlesque performers, entertainers and people who genuinely feel like they were born in the wrong body and want to live their lives quietly as men or women and equal to.

You’re asking for opinions, well my opinion is that drag does not offend me. Likewise drag in my opinion is an attack on gender stereotypes, not on women.

Your issues with woman hood will be different from mine and we are all working it out.

@PintOfGin

Why can't we be angry about this now? Why can't I be angry about ALL of these issues? Me being angry about this doesn't make me less angry about other issues so why do I have to just pick one - ridiculous!

This!

Why can't we be angry about this now? Why can't I be angry about ALL of these issues? Me being angry about this doesn't make me less angry about other issues so why do I have to just pick one - ridiculous!

Maybe we should run it past men as to when it would be a good time? Schedule in some outrage. Between virus out breaks and the shocking treatment of black people , the long economic recovery from the virus, make sure its after the latest nhs bomb shell or that no one has scheduled to murder someone or bomb somewhere that day?

Cant believe we are supposed keep our anger surprised until it's a good time for everyone else who isnt us

Shall we say next December ? No wait xmas robberies start, better be after Halloween though some dont upset anyone who already planned their offensive costume. How does November sound?

Its possible to speak up /fight more than one cause at a time ffs

Google "Best drag names"

On the list is...
Anna Bortion
Phallic Cunt
and the charming...

Malestia Child.

No. Fuck off thats celebrating feminity.

@CuriousaboutSamphire no because I vote with my wallet and don’t pay to support those kinds of acts. But you can always boo and engage if you do and you don’t like what you see.

That’s is how acts get commissioned. Nobody hires entertainer who can’t get bums on seats.

It really is a moot point because even you yourself can’t see every act going and so can’t possibly proclaim that “all acts are way way to the left of what you personally consider offensive, so everyone must consider them offensive without engaging or questioning too”

Now I consider JKRs detractors to have a wiff of the thought police about them, but here your comments do to. That’s really not great imo

It's absolutely fine to have an opinion that drag doesn't offend you, and to disagree with the majority of posters on the thread about what drag 'means'.

It's not fine to go on to tell women what they can and can't be angry about at any given time.

Jeez. this is basic stuff.

Come on, it's 2020. Women aren't allowed to be offended or upset by anything that men do anymore. Get with the programme!

Be angry at what you want, but I chose my energy for what I can be angry at and at the moment I’m fighting for BLM and to uphold women’s rights.

Maybe you have energy for all the things to be angry about. I’m doing what I can right now. That doesn’t include getting upset at entertainers, including the shit and thoughtless entertainers who aren’t as funny or as clever as they think they are. But by all means have at it. I hope you’re contacting them directly about it too, and not just screaming into the void on mums net?

of course yanbu. nothing will happen though, women are way down the list.

I was thinking exactly this yesterday. I’ve always hated a lot of drag as caricaturing and demeaning women. Ffs.

But you can always boo and engage if you do and you don’t like what you see.

Can you even imagine what sort of response that would get a woman, in a crowded nightclub with drunken men around her who are presumably enjoying the act, some half turned on, some loving the fact that women are being insulted to their faces and can't say anything back?

You would have to be a very brave individual to do that.

I can cope with panto - Buttons in Cinderella is usually a woman. Or a complex Shakespeare if cross dressing makes sense. Mrs Brown is distinctly strange, but (I'm in Ireland) I heard a fascinating radio item about it appealing to some autistic kids. I'm OK with Dame Edna.
I don't like drag queens, and I really dislike things like charity women's mini marathons where men enter in hilarious, to them, women's clothing etc.

I find drag to be dull, distasteful, and mildly offensive, but I would not ban it.

Drag is not the reason rapists rape

No but a culture which devalues women, promotes inequality, and perpetuates misogynistic stereotypes is one is which allows negative attitudes towards and treatment of women to continue.

Women certainly are allowed to be offended by drag, I'm quite shocked that people are saying otherwise.

Now I consider JKRs detractors to have a wiff of the thought police about them, but here your comments do to. That’s really not great imo Madness! You have no idea what you are tlaking about, won't even google it and here you are deciding that I am the thought police!

at the moment I’m fighting for BLM and to uphold women’s rights.
You are utterly clueless. Your bandwagon is missing at least one wheel!

@growinggreyer why are you preaching a fear mindset to women? I have indeed heckled bad drag and interacted with good. It’s expected. You might get people disagreeing with you but people who pay for a sit down entertainment show aren’t going to stand up and get violent. Have you honestly ever witnessed an audience member getting beaten up? It’s not a football match.

no because I vote with my wallet and don’t pay to support those kinds of acts.

I have indeed heckled bad drag and interacted with good.

Which of those 2 statements is true?

The film 'White Chicks' I always found offensive. As I did the Precious character in 'Come Fly with Me' -one has been banned and one not. But both are offensive to women -but we don't count apparently.

“No but a culture which devalues women, promotes inequality, and perpetuates misogynistic stereotypes is one is which allows negative attitudes towards and treatment of women to continue.”

But that’s not drag culture at all. The things you say do exist, but they are not created by drag queens. Some drag is problematic but I don’t think that’s a reason to censor all drag.

Women aren’t allowed to be offended. Will Little Britain be removed because of Vicky from the council estate? Damn right it won’t

Not much offends me so I’m a bit baffled by the censorship

Both. You can avoid what you don’t want to see, and when presented with it unexpectedly stand against it.

Why don’t you go write to your MP instead of playing silly buggers with a stranger on the Internet?

I don't know if it's "offensive" or not, but it's completely unappealing and gross. However, it's on the politically incorrect "wrong side" of the push for change, just as anyone who dares to state the scientific fact that biological males cannot magically transform into biological females is a horrible "phobe" who deserves not just derision but prosecution and law-enforced silencing. (If not quite yet, then it's definitely on the agenda.)

But that’s not drag culture at all. The things you say do exist, but they are not created by drag queens. Some drag is problematic but I don’t think that’s a reason to censor all drag. What?

So drag queens do not create their own acts? But they do, they don't, yebbut nobut, yebbut nobut, yebbut nobut.

Be coherent!

Some drag is problematic but I don’t think that’s a reason to censor all drag.

Change the word drag to racism and your statement would be unacceptable, but why is it an acceptable sentence when its discussion caricatures of women?