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To ask your ethnic group?

165 replies

bojkaboom · 11/06/2020 22:58

...in your country of origin or parents' or grandparents' or ancestors' country of origin (if you know)?

Inspired by a thread here and I had to google an ethnic group mentioned. It's led to the interest in different ethnic groups in other countries and I'll like to learn more about other people's.

I'm English (with a Scottish heritage. Mum was part English and Scottish) but from ancestors, I've been told Anglo-Saxons who're Germanic tribes that migrated from Denmark and Germany to the island in the 5th century.

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IncorrigibleTitmouse · 12/06/2020 00:16

I don’t think you’re being any kind of racist OP. Ethnic group is a perfectly acceptable anthropological term, and (in my opinion, having studied it) anthropology is one of the most fascinating academic disciplines around.

IncorrigibleTitmouse · 12/06/2020 00:19

@TerrorWig My lot are Greek Cypriot too, well, my grandad. Cypriots look so different to mainland Greeks, apparently it’s because it’s closer to the Middle East. I had a Greek teacher once (from northern Greece) who gave me a really hard time, saying I had an ‘island peasant accent’! Hmm

SarahAndQuack · 12/06/2020 00:21

I'm not sure where you and the other pp are getting this "race" issue from

Erm ... your OP? You directly asked about ethnicity.

That is not a 'simple' question. It is bound up with ideas about race.

I totally understand why you might be innocently interested in where people come from, or what they look like, or whatever. But I can't see how you wouldn't know that these questions would relate to what's happening in the world right now.

SarahAndQuack · 12/06/2020 00:22

Ethnic group is a perfectly acceptable anthropological term, and (in my opinion, having studied it) anthropology is one of the most fascinating academic disciplines around.

Not these days. Even anthropologists tend to qualify their terms nowadays.

junecat · 12/06/2020 00:24

Irish paternal side and Spanish maternal side. I was born in England.

bojkaboom · 12/06/2020 00:25

Thank you @Incorrigible. I'm sure I wasn't being racist. People do have ethnic groups in every country. As mentioned in my OP, I was looking at deeper than race to learn about different cultures in different places. Hearing other people's will point me to specific ones to read about.

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SarahAndQuack · 12/06/2020 00:27

Do people have ethnic groups in every country?

I'd love to see a justification of that statement.

SarahAndQuack · 12/06/2020 00:30

And I'd also love to know how your claims about having fifth-century Germanic ancestors have to do with 'ethnic groups'.

What you say directly contradicts the whole definition of 'ethnicity,' and only makes sense if you substitute in 'race'. So let's not pretend this doesn't have to do with race as a discourse.

bojkaboom · 12/06/2020 00:33

Ethnic group isn't just race to me. I specifically didn't want to mention the ethnic group I read up on that inspired this thread but someone mentioned 'Han' and it's an ethnic group within East Asia, mainly Chinese and some Taiwanese.

I've also looked at other ones mentioned and the South Indian which mentions Telugu, Dravidian, Indo-Aryan, etc. You read race when I didn't write race. Ethnic group in the UK is grouped into white (....), black(....), Asian (...), etc so people will mention race when talking about their ethnic group in the UK. Not so with other places.

You read my op and assumed what was in your head. Not my problem.

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bojkaboom · 12/06/2020 00:33

Oh go away with your ignorant self.

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SarahAndQuack · 12/06/2020 00:35

I never said race was just ethnicity. I said the opposite.

I am not ignorant. I am just disgusted by racists.

IncorrigibleTitmouse · 12/06/2020 00:37

@SarahAndQuack It’s still in use in my profession. It’s currently in use on ethnicity-facts-figures.service.gov.uk so the UK civil service are using it.

Of course there are ethnic groups in other countries. In the US, there Hispanic and Latinx Americans, Asian Americans, Native Americans, Native Hawaiians, Alaska Natives, etc. There are many, many ethnic groups in Africa, South America and Asia.

Destroyedpeople · 12/06/2020 00:37

Ok my 'ethnic group' is 'white British/Irish'.

How in any way is that interesting for you or other strangers on the Internet?

Flaxmeadow · 12/06/2020 00:41

Others are willingly posting answers to the simple question posed...atleast I believe no one's been held at gunpoint

Yes but but it can get a bit confusing. Some people, especially Americans, call themselves "Celt" or "Anglo Saxon" but they are not ethnicities.They are time periods.
I keep imagining them as characters from the Last Kingdom Grin

nancy75 · 12/06/2020 00:46

Officially white British but I have very dark hair & skin and facial features that make me look not white British
We did some very basic family tree stuff & found my dad May have been related to travelling acrobats but we couldn’t find where they were from.
Would love to know as me/dads family have a very distinctive look

bojkaboom · 12/06/2020 01:10

@IncorrigibleTitmouse I once knew someone who's heritage was Pontic Greek. She told me stories she learned from her family about the Pontic Genocide.

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steff13 · 12/06/2020 01:18

I was born in Ohio. My ethnicity is this:

To ask your ethnic group?
bojkaboom · 12/06/2020 01:25

I should get myself one of these. Would be interesting to see my results Grin

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SarahAndQuack · 12/06/2020 01:31

@IncorrigibleTitmouse - do you think your profession is open to change? It always shocks me that my profession can still be incredibly racist. It is a difficult thing to see.

bojkaboom · 12/06/2020 01:34

but they are not ethnicities.They are time periods

They are cultural/tribal groups = ethnic groups. Their time periods refer to when they inhabited and ruled territories.

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funinthesun19 · 12/06/2020 01:40

White British.

I have Irish in me because my ancestors on my dad’s side came over here during the potato famine in the 1800s.

GalaxyAero · 12/06/2020 01:41

Is nationality the country you have legal residence in and ethnicity the country/ies your family originate from?

Tinkerbell456 · 12/06/2020 01:41

An English Dad and an Irish Mum. According to Ancestry.com, have mainly Irish, lots of English and some of Scottish and Scandinavian genes.

Oliversmumsarmy · 12/06/2020 01:45

I always describe myself as white and British on forms because I am white and I was born in Britain.

My family though are definitely not all white and not British

We range from Welsh to Central and Southern Europe to North Africa with a branch from the West Indies

SarahAndQuack · 12/06/2020 01:49

They are cultural/tribal groups = ethnic groups. Their time periods refer to when they inhabited and ruled territories.

WTF?

That makes no sense. By that logic, contemporary Britain or America is a 'cultural/tribal group' and therefore an 'ethnic group'.

Obviously, we know race is not a biological reality. Ethnicity is not a biological reality. Why people keep claiming that race and ethnicity should constitute distinct groups, separable from racism, is beyond me.