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AIBU to stop contact, due to ex not social distancing

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PerspectiveIsAVirtue · 11/06/2020 10:42

Hi all...

I've been a long time lurker on here, but this is my first post. I have noone to turn to irl, so thank you in advance for taking the time to read through this long post and any advice given.

DD is 9. Ex and I split during the pregnancy and have for the most part managed to remain amicable and only message each other on a "need to know" basis. Pre-lockdown, he would see DD one day a week plus every other weekend. There are no court orders in place.

Fast forward to March and I messaged ex to discuss the imminent lockdown and what our approach would be going forward,. Given the nature of both of our jobs, I suggested that we all isolate for two weeks and then either he was welcome to stay with us for the duration or we would resume normal contact arrangements if that was preferable, assuming we would both be following the government guidelines. He agreed to the isolation, but was not forthcoming with how he would like things to proceed afterwards or whether he would be strictly social distancing, as DD and I have been.

(It's important to note that while none of us have underlying health conditions, I am suffering from extreme anxiety, for which I am actively seeking help for.)

Those initial two weeks came and went and admittedly, I didn't approach ex to review the situation, as I was dealing with the demands of wfh, homeschooling etc. He also did not press the matter and would facetime DD daily.

In time, we began to visit his garden (via a side gate and socially distanced), so DD and ex could spend time together in person.

Sadly, ex's family suffered a loss and he expressed a wish for DD to attend the funeral. I tried to be as supportive as possible, but asked that he respect my wishes to keep DD socially distanced throughout the day. Despite assurances, he did the opposite, driving many miles with DD and members of two other households and DD confirmed that there was no distancing at the wake, which at least six households attended.

Needless to say, I was upset about this, but bit my tongue, as I understood it was an emotional time and hoped it was a one-off.

However, through conversations with ex, it has become apparent that he has not stuck to the guidelines over the last eleven weeks and he has admitted to staying at his mum's and having multiple friends and family over to his house.

He is now insisting that pre-lockdown contact arrangements resume, but refuses to agree to socially distance with or without DD, citing that he doesn't see DD as being at risk and that the guidelines were put in place for "vulnerable people", not us.

His view is that I am damaging DD through my approach to follow the guidelines to the letter and that my "crippling anxiety" and "irrational fears" are going to negatively impact DD in the long run. This is an additional worry on my part, but I am trying my hardest to limit this, by seeking help for my anxiety (have been prescribed medication and am on the waiting list for CBT), forcing myself to take DD out for walks and making sure DD has contact with her friends through facetime/emails, but I do worry about the impact of the last eleven weeks on DD and regularly check in with her. She seems ok.

I lost my mother to something that ultimately could have been avoided when I was a teenager and I believe that a lot of my anxiety stems from this and wanting to keep DD and myself "safe". Although I know statistically that we would most likely only experience mild symptoms, I just don't see the point in testing that theory out if we don't have to. Why chance it?

Ex has gone so far as to arrange a playdate at his for DD this weekend and says that he will do as he sees best when DD is with him.

I accept that ex and I might not always share the same parental views, but AIBU to stop contact for the time being, as he is insistent on breaking the social distancing rules and not putting our DD's health first?

Thank you so much if you made it to the end! Am happy to be told I'm being unreasonable. I know my anxiety may be clouding my judgement and just want to do what is best for DD.

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AmericanAdventure · 12/06/2020 15:52

Exactly @HugeAckmansWife. Which is why child inclusive mediation is so important. Separated parents always have their own narratives - it's not a criticism because we all do- and each absolutely feels like they are doing the best thing for their child. It's only when they can sit down and hear their child's point of view in an unthreatening way then they can see beyond their niggling suspicion that all of the conflict is caused by their ex and can move onto some kind of resolution.

WaterOffADucksCrack · 12/06/2020 17:34

What do you do? I can't socially distance at work because I work in health and social care so it's impossible. I wouldn't be impressed if someone said I couldn't see my child due to it. All annual leave has been pulled back so l couldn't isolate for 2 weeks prior to seeing them. Of course I worry but I need to put a roof over our heads and food on the table which my wages barely cover as it is.

As it is ds's dad has sacked him off and not bothered to see him and dss's mum had sacked him off and not bothered to see him. I'd love my son to be able to see his dad because he just randomly bursts into tears due to being 5.5 and not seen him for nearly 3 months (used to see him 4 days a month). I'd let him go to his dads as I can see how much it's damaged his mental health.

These threads are hard because many parents have used lockdown as an excuse not so see their children. Equally many parents have used lockdown as an excuse to stop other parents seeing their children. Obviously neither of these groups of parents admit it.

PerspectiveIsAVirtue · 13/06/2020 20:28

@AmericanAdventure
Thank you for your non-judgemental and practical advice. Child-inclusive mediation sounds like a very positive thing all around and may be something to look into...

@WaterOffADucksCrack
Thank you for the line of work that you do. Without outing myself, I work in Early Years (not at the moment though) so fully appreciate that there are some occupations that you cannot socially distance in. Ex's job was also public facing prior to lockdown, hence we both agreed to wait 2 weeks to be on the safe side. I fully appreciate that in your situation that that would not have been possible and in no way would have limited your access based on your occupation.

My issue is that ex is choosing to engage with many others socially. That's a choice on his part, to mix with others in a non-socially distanced way and although others may not agree with me, I believe it's irresponsible and putting himself (and by proxy DD and myself) at an increased risk, that frankly isn't necessary.

You have to work and am sure you are careful, both at work and in your personal life. Ex does not have to invite people into his home and visit others in theirs, but chooses to anyway, despite the guidance set out for all of us stating that is unwise. If he didn't live with his dad, he would be able to form a social bubble. One. But as I said before, he's visiting multiple homes and having multiple people visit him.

I'm also really sorry to hear about your situation with DS and DSS. That's utterly shit for them. I hope things improve for them soon.

I see what you are saying about these threads and parents not admitting their true intentions, but I've been painfully honest on here. There is no underlying motive to stop contact. Ex and I have been amicable for the better part of ten years. I just don't agree with him exposing DD to other households, given the current climate, for various reasons, which is why I started the thread.

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PerspectiveIsAVirtue · 13/06/2020 20:32

Just popping back on to update you all...

After a few texts exchanged yesterday, ex was beginning to accept my views on social distancing and assured me he would do his best to stick to them for DD's sake, as he conceded that mixing as he has been isn't exactly reducing our chances of catching this. In turn, I agreed that seeing a few others, outside at a 2m distance would be beneficial to DD, if it was done in that way, as there would be low risk. Felt like we'd reached the same chapter, if not the same page and was preparing to let DD stay with him...feeling we'd sorted things out...

Ex's birthday is today. DD and I baked him a cake, she made a beautiful card and wrapped a present. We walked over to drop them off to him, at her request. She tried calling first, but he kept forwarding her calls. I also tried messaging to arrange him seeing her, but no reply. So we walked over and thought we'd leave bits on the porch, if he was out worst way.

On arrival, the music was so loud that nobody heard the doorbell to begin with. Then two of ex's friends answered the door and it turns out ex was having a full blown house party. Not just a small gathering - the house was full ffs...easily 20 people there, if not more, going by a quick glance on social media. One of the friends had to push past people to locate ex...

Ex sheepishly came to the door, barely acknowledged DD or her gifts and asked me if we'd like to join the party. DD shook her head, no and I took my cue from her and said, no thank you, we have to get back and left it at that for the sake of DD and not ruining his birthday.

On the walk back, DD said, "Mum, I'm glad we didn't go in." Completely unprompted. She's happily playing a game online with her friend now and hasn't said anymore on the matter.

Ex is clearly not going to stick to guidelines and I feel like at this point, he is choosing not to see DD by continuing to break them to this extent. DD doesn't want to go and doesn't seem at all upset about not going temporarily. I'm really inclined to keep her with me and continue with other means of contact, until the advice changes and multiple households are allowed to mix inside again. I feel like this is best for us in the situation.

I just hope for his sake that nobody currently at his is asymptomatic. Did look like a wonderful party, in fairness!

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Angelonia · 14/06/2020 08:00

OP, I am genuinely sorry that this happened, and that ex lied to you about how he was planning to change his behaviour. I agree with you that a full on party isn't acceptable at the moment. I can't say I agree with you withholding contact indefinitely, but I do understand that this was the final straw for you. I hope things work out ok in the end.

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